I didn't get too detailed, but I took my results from the D. Nardi questionnaire and I had two areas that I related to quite strongly. I edited and put my results in a spoiler.
T4 - Intuitive Listener, Ethical Arbiter, and Irritable Opponent. Fp2-ext - Adaptable Enthusiast, Authentic Face, Group Facilitator They match up with the red areas for NeFi and also SeFi. (Assuming I did it right.) So I will leave it at that for now.
Thanks for this topic. It is really interesting and kind of fun.
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Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 30, 2013 15:23:57 GMT -5
I got a mail answer from Dario Nardi ! He gave me an useful link for the French Around (Shivaree ; peppergirl) that want to ship his book from the uk (link) as well as a link for an optional "10$ donation" to get a basic report for the test (link, he asked me to give the name under which I registered it as well).
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ayoungspirit- That's amazing! Congrats. I think my own introspection abilities are suspect. I took a test today that measured spatial reasoning, spatial memory and emotional reading (I talked about it a bit in Msjalaa's blog thread), and didn't get below average in any. (I actually got above average in one of the spatial reasoning one's and think I could have done the same on the second with the 3-D figures, if I'd realized it was being timed and not taken as long thinking it over, as all my guesses were right, I just ran out of time.) I think I may be comparing areas I'm just normal at to ones I'm very good at, and assuming I suck as it's not as natural, as I would have thought I'd score significantly below average on all tasks. So I may just give up on this method...Yeah. I am certain I have an atrocious sense of direction, and am hopelessly clumsy, but that's about it. I may check out some of those links you gave and see if I can get some help with this.
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 30, 2013 15:51:35 GMT -5
By the way, I did 9/10 to the BBC attach emotions to eyes test (MsLajlaa), which is also a T6 related skill, otherwise scoring very poorly at empathy actions (5/20)
11/12 at 3D rotating (O1) skill, but I did use only a very few portion of the time allowed.
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ayoungspirit-*nods* Oh, I forgot to ask, are you going to do the donation for a type report? You should. You are very, very lucky. Or...I guess you made your own luck, by being proactive about it, so you deserve more admiration than congratulations, but still.
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 30, 2013 16:11:52 GMT -5
A : I believe others should be able to get the same by donating, but for me, since my first draft was not that representative, I prefer to keep it open for the future and get the book first. I sent my graphical projection and gave a link to cognitivetype.com as well as one to this thread to give access to the input and reactions though
By the way, some mixed feelings are coming regarding my assessment. I wonder if I overplayed F8, as I am not always attached that much to good or bad, and not always modestly grounded. I was more like this in the past, but I feel I liberated myself from it at some point... my projections and memories are open to very different interpretations and the adaptive process must have been strong. I believe I will give another shot at it soon. See MsLajlaa, I struggle with my introspection hubris, but I will make sense of it
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ayoungspirit- I may consider trying that, although my introspection seems highly suspect. Speaking of which, here are my reactions to the function description in Nardi's slideshow and why I do or do not use each one, going back to the bigger picture here. Yes, more rambling and extremely dubious introspection, but it helps me to write it out.
Ne- Yes to everything but the mirror neurons. Plus, my brain seems to be pretty flexible and well-rounded, which hints at Ne full-brain use to me and I think Ne-dom's are notorious for being difficult to type/convince to settle on a type (not here, but something I've seen on other, admittedly less reliable, sites). But the mirror neurons thing is a big issue, as I learn best by myself, and I may be projecting my own desire to be Ne-dom (because it seems like a good type for science) and letting it make me see things that aren't really there. Ni- I am almost certainly not this and am including it mostly as a control. I do project into the future and weigh many mechanisms at once, but compared to Ni's on site, I am much less committed to any one outcome. I suspect I use other modes of thinking to guess at what may be in the future, and do it more deliberately and scattered-ly than Ni's do. Fi- I do have strong personal values, by which I assess the right answer, but the rest of this (unfortunately) doesn't sound all that much like me. I hear tone of voice, but don't focus in on it and only really notice if there's something off. It influences me more sub-consciously than consciously. And I don't know if I listen with my whole mind. How would I know something like that? I think I pay attention...most of the time. Fe- I guess? Maybe? I notice how people are responding to me at some level, but I don't know if it's as much as other people do, as I'm not all that good at guessing and tend to use logic to figure it out. That said, I pay more attention to words than tone of voice, as they're easier to analyze and figure out. Te- Nope. I'm a lousy liar, don't think in images and am not as good at decision making as I would like. I can explain things pretty well though. Ti- Maybe? I'm not really sure. I think I use logic to figure things out, but, once again, I don't know how I compare to everyone else. Se (once more, for control purposes, this would be an odd function for me to have)- I am calm in tense situations, this is true, and very good under pressure. I don't have a great memory for details, but it's possible I just choose not to exercise it and that it's not as poor as I assume, hard for me to assess compared to other people. I'm notoriously clumsy, however, and in general sort of oblivious to what's going on around me if I don't focus in. Se's sound sort of like superheroes, by the way. I wouldn't mind getting to see inside an Se mind for a day or two. Si- I do keep a running narrative in my head and see my life as like a novel, possibly because I spend far too much time reading them. I don't tend to focus much on the past, however, unless it's to analyze something, try to work out why things happened as they did, what I could have done differently or what I should learn from the experience.
So, in short, this is unhelpful. I think I'll stick with ENxP (to revert to old MBTI terminology) for now, until I come up with something more definitive, but all I know for sure is I'm not Ni/Se, as cool as that would be. (Hey, I rhymed. ) I may be biased, but I don't think I have anything more convincing as of yet.
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 30, 2013 18:15:23 GMT -5
A : and what about this, we are born with a genetic brain pattern, which correspond to CT signals , but through adaptation, particularly at a young age, we can manage to alter the support process internally to a point were it is very different from the given one ?
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ayoungspirit: That, I would agree with. Although I'm surprised your considering NiTe. I thought you were fairly confident in Fe/Ti. I was just going to ask about that, actually, as I haven't heard that one come up before. I do think we modify our brains throughout life, but I imagine a certain degree of the underlying architecture is conserved. I'm still at heart the same person I was when I was five, I've just learned to channel it better.
Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but one implication I don't think is entirely accurate and that troubles me is that J leads should be happier than P leads (according to which area of the forebrain is dominant). Maybe it means I'm a J-lead after all, but I'm perfectly happy, and I'm sure there are J-leads who are self-aware. Anyone else have any input on this? I do think it's an overgeneralization, and my mind drawing conclusions that are not there, but that's just something bothering me. Sorry to distract from ayoungspirit, and please do feel free to skip me and answer his question (which I'll try to do once I have more unbroken time to watch and analyze the videos).
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 31, 2013 12:18:19 GMT -5
A : I think this is a misleading formulation. J lead are more prone to properly ignore superfluous inputs from outside, they just don't register it, block the flow after their decision, so they are less susceptible theoretically to be depressed by others bad suggestions, they just don't care, let it go. On the contrary, P lead are integrating the incoming input, remarks, at all time, so they are susceptible to register all that could go wrong with what they think. This is only a general possibility I guess, and there is very unhappy J lead and very happy P lead. The possibilities are very diverse, more so because we are all almost as one as we are the other, and the bias of the test could be its intent to turn the processes into "skills", "performance".
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A: I've had contrary thoughts about that, especially because Ni "flow" brain state is something that is commonly experienced as a subjectively positive phenomenon. Something like you described in the stress thread. There have been studies on the effect of meditation on general well-being/eudaimonia. While meditating successfully brain goes in the light blue brain state (Ni in CT), and people who meditate a lot have different kinds of brain. I assume they can reach that light blue bliss more easily, and in CT language that translates into being in a perceiving mode. So, to make it simple: Ni -> happiness. No wonder all the hyping about it.
Disclaimer: I made a post some time ago about wanting to reach perceiving functions more often but realized it was too speculative and withdrew feeling terribly ashamed. (T5 T5 T5.) Yet there might be some truth to it.
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 31, 2013 12:23:11 GMT -5
MsLajlaa : the blue state might be overrated in my opinion. It has its benefices, but it is not as efficient in some situations as some other patterns. Blue state fails for example at some form of trans-contextualizing, or to be reactive to outside surprises, and christmas tree pattern as well as tennis hop, or the circuit of the speaker, or the strong relation of F3-F4/P3-P4 for Ti lead for example, all have their specific efficiency. If they were not, people would not be using them so much. Beside, I have read that Ni-lead were to be efficient only when they are at peace and treating only one problem at a time, which is great for some researches, but not so much to confront all the aspects of life. I believe some balance and complementarity is in order. Also, reaching the blue state for itself, even if it make for a healthy brain course, does not necessarily mean anything in life achievements.
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