TheLogicFan: My very first impression of Nardi, before knowing his self-acclaimed type, was SiFe! Now that I looked carefully, especially his eye movements seem more SeNi to me. TeFi comes from the flow of speech. Not much Fi, though, to my eye.
None of the videos were really good for analyzing his functions, so it's a bit tricky. But I think it is important to realize that just because a person stares directly at the camera it not necessarily a sign of Se. As far as I can tell he doesn't do a Se lock-on in any of the videos. About his flow of speech; I agree that he has good flow going, but I think that is just because he really know his subject and have talked about it a thousand times before. A lot of professors have this style of talking where they don’t have a lot of breaks, but just go through the material very quickly and without a need to think about what to say next. So instead of it being a signal of Te, maybe it's just because he is an expert and really know his stuff. What do you think?
Last Edit: Aug 5, 2013 23:10:05 GMT -5 by TheLogicFan
Simple question: What do you identify as? As in type.
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[–]AncientSpirits 8 points 5 months ago
I identify with INTJ. I selected this in 1992, at age 22, and have maintained that sense ever since.
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[–]Sociacademic[INTJ] 2 points 5 months ago*
Thanks for doing this!
Would you mind saying more about which parts of the INTJ descriptions you identify with?
I ask because I have watched this clip and this clip with you and I find that you come across very differently from me. Even though I like to think that I make an effort to be more open and friendly than the average INTJ, I'd say you're off the charts in this respect! Also, the way you write doesn't resonate with me. Very often with other INTJs, I feel like I could see myself writing what they've written, but not so with you.
Of course whatever type you are, it doesn't detract from your work. I'm just curious.
Edit: For example, this quote of yours from above:
Having permeable boundaries is important--that is, being present as who you are, assuming you actually wish to be there. Adolescents are perceptive of phoniness and responsive to genuineness. I tell stories about my life and family--not intimidate stories, but ones that reveal I too am a person. (...) I am a secret rebel. That is the source of my smile. Most students are secret rebels, they just don't have a cause yet. You can give it to them....
Sounds to me like Fi > Te in your function stack.
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[–]wolfgangpaulig 5 points 5 months ago
Everybody's personality changes when they go up on stage!!! I know this isn't a great source, but it's just one example. And I certainty cannot speak for Dario, but I think pretty much everyone becomes different on stage.
I definitely identify with having a stage self. I'm actually very much at home with other INTJs off-stage. People who know me personally, including other type experts, see the unstaged Dario. That said, it's not fake. It's just a performance. John Beebe would prefer to NTJ-SFP as a spine relationship, and I certainly identify with that. As for boundaries, even though I mention the importance of permeable boundaries, I still maintain an acquire awareness of said boundaries all the time. I'm just aware that many things don't matter, so why not share them to get the desired effect? And like I say elsewhere, I've done quite a bit of NLP, especially in my early 20s. No doubt that, along with part of my upbringing in the Caribbean (an SFP culture), had an impact.
Last Edit: Aug 5, 2013 22:07:45 GMT -5 by anagrams
TheLogicFan: His being NiTe IMO comes mostly from his self-analysis, which I tend to trust in his example. I mean in case he has done an EEG for himself, which I assume he has, as who wouldn't be that curious with the equipment around!
TheLogicFan: His being NiTe IMO comes mostly from his self-analysis, which I tend to trust in his example. I mean in case he has done an EEG for himself, which I assume he has, as who wouldn't be that curious with the equipment around!
Well, Dario Nardi decided (based on MBTI tests I assume) he was a NiTe more than 20 years ago (when he was 22), long before he started his EEG experiments. I don't think He has ever talked about testing himself with the equipment, but I agree with you. It would be rather strange if he hadn't. But even if he had, I don’t know if he claims to be able to determine type for sure using EEG. I think the strongest claim I have heard him make is that there is "evidence for types" in EEG data.
Type patterns are very clear in the EEG data. When it comes to a regional activity level composite, the NF, NT, SP, and SJ types are rather clear. When it comes to a coherence composite, N, F, T, Se, and Si leads are especially clear. Certain regions of the cerebral cortex are associated with 'introverted' activity, and certain areas are associated with 'extroverted' activity. Also, there is a rather distinct indicator between J and P preferences in the Fp regions.
So, while I don't think the EEG data could ever be 100% accurate in determining MBTI type (partly because I think where MBTI type doesn't match the reality of what the brain is doing is where the MBTI type description fails and partly because the EEG data is showing a fair degree of spectrum and overlap between individuals of any given type), it does a pretty good job of pointing at 'best fit' or 'most likely' type.
When used in conjunction with other indicating tools, such as self assessment, external assessment, VR, etc., I think the reality of a person's cognition can be fairly accurately discerned, especially if we assume that the human mind is far more adaptive and fluid than any specific definition.
Or to quote Nardi:
For determining someone's type, I suggest gathering as many data points as possible from instruments and methods that are coherent with each other. So you can do Myers Briggs Type Indicator or such, do self-reflective best fit for preferences, do sorting by instrument, or activity for temperament and interaction styles, and 8 cognitive processes... taken together, you get a set of data points that usually point to 1 or 2 types out of the 16. It's like "triangulation" (the wilderness survival version, not the political science version).
Last Edit: Aug 6, 2013 2:20:22 GMT -5 by The Doctor
Disclaimer: Everything I say here is my OPINION. Please keep that in mind.
I know this topic is ancient, but I thought I'd share this video, which proves he's 100% NiTe.
Ni scowls
Always nice to see more videos of Dario Nardi.
I'm not seeing any obvious Ni Scowls in the video. Overall his eyes are very innocent and gentle.
Also didn't see anything suggesting Fi/Te over Ti/Fe. Check 04.25 for obvious Fe smile and Ti neutralization. Dario Nardi still look like a clear SiFe.
I would find it surprising if he does have Fe/Ti just based on his perfectly monotone voice, and his fast and dismissive way of talking about things. He does remind of patri friedman though, a guy I posted in the SiFe section.
On perception functions I might have been jumping to a conclusion, I'll look more at that.
Last Edit: Nov 12, 2013 13:35:16 GMT -5 by chaoticbrain
Well that doesn't seem like obvious Fe to me, what aspects of it make it Fe ? Is it just how it goes up on the cheeks ?
He seems to me to display tension at parts such as 4:30-4:35. Am I maybe just mistaking his facial structure for Fi ?
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I would find it surprising if he does have Fe/Ti just based on his perfectly monotone voice, and his fast and dismissive way of talking about things. He does remind of patri friedman though, a guy I posted in the SiFe section.
On perception functions I might have been jumping to a conclusion, I'll look more at that.
Yes. You have to watch out for the lack of tension when he smiles (from the corner of the mouth towards the nose). That plus the near instant return to neutral after the smile (Ti neutralization) is a clear sign of Ti/Fe.
His voice isn't really monotone. I would rather call it “structured”. In my experience it is pretty common for Pi-lead to talk this way in general. The voice does go up and down. There is just a kind of structure put on the whole thing that makes it seem less…surprising. Not sure how to describe it.
Btw, I went through the video again and toke down some notes you may find helpful.
Si scowl: 01.38, 05.52, 12.01-12.03, 13.15, 15.19, 19.01, 21.48,
Fe Smile/Ti neutralization: 04.25-04.27, 06.20-06.26, 18.26-18.28, 19.42-19.44,
Last Edit: Nov 21, 2013 5:01:49 GMT -5 by TheLogicFan
If Dario Nardi is self-mistyped (which I find possible based on the videos) it's 'the end of the world' - and of all researches based on mbti. Quite frankly, I've been wondering for a long time what validy all Nardi research results may have when they were not based on any reliable instrument of assessment of the subjects' types. which I find quite sad because he seems to be a researcher passionate and enthusiastic about what he does.
Hmm interesting. I guess I usually disregard neutralization as a cue except in extreme cases because I thought I had seen Fi users dropping their smile pretty quickly before, but I'll pay attention to the way nardi does it and other people.