Post by alphus on Sept 4, 2013 19:49:46 GMT -5
You look very, very strongly NTP to me! (NeTi/TiNe). I only watched for a few minutes (at first; watched the rest later) but it seemed pretty clear to me. I would (weakly) guess Ne over Ti based on the video, and some of the things you've said, making you NeTi. But I'm much more certain that you definitely are one of those than which one it is.
NeSi:
There's a ridiculous number of stuff in here, it'd be hard to cover it all. But your videos are very useful in terms of giving out tons of cues.
- There are some similarities with actress Elizabeth Olsen, who iirc was typed by CT as TiNe. You might want to check her out, you may find you're able to spot some of yourself in her (though she's more reserved). Matthew Gray Gubler as well. Others that seem similar are NeTis Meekakitty, Frezned, PeenieBrown (search her DMT experience). These are all youtubers. Watch out for the silly expressions (meeka and frez), the sudden and abrupt freezing, both physical and verbal (sometimes accompanied with wide staring eyes of excitement), as well as something I'm going to call 'verbal stacking' - where someone says a sentence fragment, halts suddenly and just as suddenly repeats it with even more excitement, and then finally completes the sentence. This is usually a Ne dom thing, I think. It's a less organized way of speaking and is the result of letting thoughts flow out as they come and also letting them be continuously corrected by the constant stream of incoming data (Ne) that is altering its content and direction - and then having that refined by the IJ (Fi/Ti), all in real-time. This is one of the clear signs of being P (adaptive, present-based, reactive), and more usually NP (change-based). It's glitchy and halting because it's so liable to stop and be hijacked by something else. [Cliche joke about the ADHD kid: "I like shiny thi- hey, a bir- oh my god, a pebble!"]
I don't remember where you showed verbal stacking (didn't keep track, sorry), but one example of your physical freezing is in the second video, 1.51-1.54. The body stays exactly where it is, with the hands up and everything, while the brain tries to sort itself out, and eyes bounce around.
- You also do the sideways eye roll from top to bottom on the right side, which I've noticed NeTis do a fair bit, and NeFi as well I think. Running Ne through their IJ process, perhaps? When you do it, you tend to neutralise. You also have a bunch of other eye-rolls (side to bottom, top straight down to bottom, left to bottom, all in a circle, etc). These are very heavy NP cues, imo. (You also happened to be talking about talking to yourself. This seems to be a big thing with Ne doms. Maybe even especially NeTis. They seem to like to make videos on youtube and so on. Why? Perhaps they need that aspect of verbal processing? Lots of NeTi women in acting too I think, especially comedy. Again, the Fe showman.)
- Lots of eye/eyebrow scrunches too. Innocent and yet pushy. Mixture of NeSi and Fe, I think. Usually these scrunches happen when Si and Ti are saying 'this doesn't make sense/this is stupid/this isn't correct', and Fe is going, "Right, right?! You can see what I mean right?!"
- Your eyes in that last picture look very soft and not Ni penetrative to me.
TiFe:
- Exaggeration and variation of facial expressions does seem to be something NeTi women like to do a lot like Erifrail mentioned. I think it's a little bit of a Fe fetish. More feminine-energy NeTi men like to as well. It's the showman aspect of the NeTi. Probably Ne warping actual expressions in its excitement to play around and explore Fe.
- Your smile also looks Fe to me. The naivete and innocence is not quite real. It's an infusion of Ne coupled with TiFe knowingness and direction. There's almost always a (nice) smirk (TiFe) lurking even when you're not properly smiling. You also neutralize very quickly and suddenly (Ti over Fe).
- You also do the neutral/cold, 'too bad that's the way life is' mouth scrunch. The Fi mouth scrunch always looks like they're really sad about it but have to accept these horrible realities despite how badly it wounds them. Haha. (Michael Jackson did it a fair bit.) Whereas with Ti, it's not blunt and coldly dismissive like Te, but passive and unruffled acceptance. One senses the mouth could just as easily break into a wide grin the next second. But with Fi, the infusion of sadness looks like it'd take a while to empty. If you tried to joke to lighten the mood, they'd coldly stare you down and then blink you out of existence with an air of deep sorrow and tragedy. (Not a total exaggeration.) Or perhaps their mouths would laugh while their eyes retain sorrow.
Obviously, everyone who's suffered a little has moments like these, but you didn't have an overall bitchy, sullen, sorrowful or sassy air. Instead you had a 'knowing' air (Fe) and a happily detached/unruffled air (Ti). In my experience, Fi has a hurt, sassy or bluntly dismissive air (the result of some infusion with Te). If Te is higher, there's businesslike efficiency with some self-pity or sorrow (infusion of Fi). You can think of Te as having to be *more* efficient, blunt, businesslike logic-based and dismissive in order to protect its shadow, Fi. Whichever function comes first, it presents socially as a little more extreme in being personal (Fi), protecting itself (FiTe), warding off others (TeFi) and shutting down others (Te). Ti doesn't 'need' to be so cold because it has Fe to manipulate and direct things. TiFe tends to be more modulated in appearance because its focus is on the group externally, and on impersonal processes internally. Almost like there's no one really home (of course there is, but it's less on display to others - there's less of a personally-invested aspect in presentation). Overall, it comes across less bothered, but not in the more aggressively unbothered way of the TeFi.. TiFe comes off mild, and so did you.
(None of this determines what actually goes on internally, or what subjects you focus on, or what impression you might give people as a whole. I'm just talking about nuanced vibes different types give off as a result of running particular processes. You might have a TiFe type who's really loud and aggressive, but usually there'll still be an undertone of 'mildness' and 'self-regulation'. And you might have a really quiet FiTe who's kind and happy-go-lucky, but has surprising sass and blunt self-protection vibes when threatened or when needing to prove a point. There are also milder and quieter Te leads. )
I mustn't belabor this point anymore as I feel I'm getting further and further away from clarity and accuracy.
To summarize: TiFe is plain unfussed. TeFi is aggressively unfussed. FiTe is fussed but will become quickly unfussed it if needs to shut you down. It makes sense if you look at it as what each function is trying to protect and achieve.
- Your laughs off to the side (eyes disconnected) look like guilty, almost evil-genius laughs. Probably cos of the customary 'knowing' way the mouth moves. It's also the Ne glow in the eyes which makes them look a little manic. However you hide these, perhaps because they're personal and you'd prefer to share these little knowing, silly moments with yourself. On the surface, you prefer to present Fe.
- You've also got angular but refined movements. It's hand-oriented (fine detail/precision - Ti) rather than arm/torso-oriented, like a directive type would be. The body sways (Ne), the arms move loosely a bit outwards into the communal space but the hands are precise. Actually, it looks like you're holding back the precision a little. You mentioned being analytical a few times as well. Again, on the surface you modulate with a bit more Fe, perhaps in order to veil some of these aspects (or maybe just let loose and have more fun). Or maybe you're Ne dom and that's as precise as you go.
- You're very face-oriented. Most of your communication happens with your face. There's a lot going on, partly because of Ne I think, and Fe trying to rein it in a little and make it look palatable. There's quirkiness but also acknowledgement that you're being so, a twisting of the quirkiness in order to communicate you're aware of it. This is a really useful one cos Fi doesn't really do that. Fi+Ne quirkiness is more raw, in a sense. Ti+Ne goes on its adventures and then says "laugh at my silliness with me". Fi+Ne doesn't intentionally qualify it and then intentionally communicate that qualification. (Again this is a vibe, Fi *people* aren't oblivious or unable to recognise silliness, or qualify and intentionally share their experiences, or adapt the things they say to be more palatable. It's just something the face does/doesn't do as a result of many iterations of the same process. Fi as a process doesn't look for what the group approves and then try to fit itself around that. Fe does, and will modify Ne spurts accordingly, resulting in a different way of using the face.)
GENERAL IMPRESSION:
You've got an overall air of amused, happy impatience, detachment and self-deprecation.
How I interpret this when I see it on people:
This is a mixture of Ne shenanigans, Ti dissecting everything Ne and Fe do and finding it wanting, Si comparing a bunch of stuff and finding lots of inconsistencies that Ti loves to harp on, Fe wanting to share the amusement and acknowledgement of its foibles, Ti not allowing full engagement in the smile (hence why your eyes sometimes look like the laugh is only on a screen, and behind that is... AN ALIEN! or something) and being impatient at yourself/the environment, hence the occasional drops in expression and slow freezing as Ti tries to sort it all out and goes to srs tyms, some TiNe detachment from the social/concrete moment and your investment in it, constant real-time updating on your face on what is happening internally, and laughing self-deprecation from all of the above.
This is also a common trope-persona in today's (western) culture, so that may cloud things a little. Perhaps you're just playing into a cultural type right now, etc. I think Ne and general neuroticism (fractal introspection with occasional tangents) are popular at the moment. However, I think that's probably because some NPs made a bunch of movies through their personal lens, which happens to be a result of certain function interactions. Also your functions look very easily traceable and real. When other types attempt the same persona, it comes off differently.
(I'd also like to work at clarifying (to myself as well) how a NeFi persona similar to the above would differ to a NeTi. There would definitely be several main similarities, but there must be differences as well, for specific reasons.)
Just to clarify, overall you came off like a nice, cheery person with some interesting thoughts.
You also look a lot like Anne Frank!
It's interesting that you mentioned that "Ne and general neuroticism" is "trendy" at the moment. I was thinking the same thing myself. I actually don't like it. I think it's annoying. the way I speak though is very naturally "all over the place" if you know what I mean. I mentioned to someone once that I was in the process of reading about 8 different books at one time (never usually more than one fictional book at one time though, cause that just confuses me). The person responded with "Oh, so you read like you speak." I hadn't ever really thought of that, but I guess that's true. I always find it really difficult to explain myself verbally to people in a way that they would understand. I'm way better on paper, I think because it keeps me centered on the topic and I can think about what I want to write before I write it, making corrections along the way. Anyway, so ya thats all pretty normal to me.
Anyways, honestly, I definitely understand where you all are coming from with saying I look like a NeTi or TiNe type. I can see similarities. I can think of people I know too who probably fit these types. But since it seems to me to be one of the least "serious" types, I would say it probably isn't me. I think my general air of "non-seriousness" (sorry I couldn't think of better way of put it at the moment) as well as my "self-deprecation", as you put it, is definitely something that I've learned to do though I don't always accomplish it (particularly when I'm tired). Throughout my life I have always been told that I take everything too seriously and that I need to lighten up, which would always make me angry and I'd try to prove my point to people even more only to appear even more like a "party-pooper" or whatever people felt like calling me. In public (especially at social gatherings where I'm insanely awkward), I tend to just sit awkwardly, not sure what to do with myself and people always ask if I'm okay (they think I'm sad or more often "really pissed"). I defend "the truth" or what I think aligns with reality absolutely to the death. This is mainly in times when I've tried to defend myself against false claims against me. It is not a good thing to question my integrity--I will usually impulsively yell back in defense and people don't listen to a word I say and just end up getting the reaction they were looking for in the first place. The whole "self-deprecation" thing makes me feel less vulnerable and appear less so as well, I think. It's difficult for me to show how I really care about something to other people, and when I do, no one seems to understand, so I just turn everything into a joke, feeling like there must be something wrong with me for me to be so serious.
It's funny, I tend to go through life wishing people weren't so air-headed, and that they'd think for themselves rather than just believe what people tell them is right. Then I'm always annoyed by my own hypocrisy in that regard. That was kind of a random comment, though; not exactly sure where it connects.
The other thing that really makes me think that I must not be a Ne-dom type is that Ne-doms are always looking for more options, more information, more possibilities, etc, and they are an "explorer" type, wanting to experience everything there is to experience. I can flat out tell you that isn't me. I mean, I can relate to that in the sense that I have difficulties and fears about making decisions because I want the best possible result and I don't feel like I'll know what the best possible result will be if I don't know all the possible options. The problem with that is how am I supposed to know when I've discovered all the options? There are likely to be more, though this is frustrating because I really want closure. I get really overwhelmed by too may options. I also tend to treat my life almost like a "system". I want to know what it will be like from beginning to end so that I can make all the right decisions, but of course that's impossible and I just become paralyzed. That would also probably be a boring life, come to think of it. My brain tends to obsess about cause and effect too. I always want to know what causes everything and I want there to be predictability in me knowing that if I do something, then there is likely to be a certain result. I'm pretty open to trying new things, but I'm really fearful of trying them on my own and it often is not my idea to begin with. I tend to be more of a "sidekick" than the original adventurer. Or I at least need someone to plow the way first, then I'll take people down sidepaths when we come to something that I think is interesting. I'm definitely an original thinker, but my brain gets stuck in ruts. I hope all that makes sense. I tend to forget that I can actually take action and get out and do things. Currently, I'm stuck in a rut in my life and am not really sure how to get out of it. Wouldn't Ne-doms be out of there in a giffy? Part of my problem is that I'm just too comfortable where I'm at in my own little hole at home. I do have high social anxiety so that probably has something to do with everything.
Anyway, perhaps I am TiNe, but even for that I am skeptical. I just have a really difficult time believing I am an Ne-dom.
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