Post by Auburn on May 5, 2013 13:23:23 GMT -5
Fi vs Fe
So I've given you guys the basic template of the difference between Fi and Fe, by showing the direction the smile rises on the face, but that's meant as an elementary introduction - for simplicity's sake - which applies to probably 80% of respective Fi vs Fe users. I'll be going further in detail in this thread. To start:
This here is Fe/Ti user Barack Obama. Notice that he does have the "lines" next to his lips toward his nose. These lines themselves are *not* Fi-Snarl. They're merely folds of skin which can be arranged this way due to facial fat, sagging skin from age and many other things. These lines are not uncommon in Fe users, but they don't carry any tension on them. Notice, next, his cheeks on the area below his eyes and next to the bridge of his nose. It is entirely flat. They're emotionally neutral. This is Ti neutralization.
And then we can see how his face twists/bends when he smiles and it's very symmetrical, coordinated, prompted, and deliberate.
Parallel this to Fe-Rachel McAdams (white, female, younger - to contrast against black, male, older Fe-Obama)
Notice how in most of these pictures the "lines" show, but they're secondary effects to the smile, and the smile itself is not centralized there. Now contrasting Fe-Obama/Rachel against a very obvious Fi snarl below to get a sense of what is similar and what isn't.
Notice how in the first picture, Kerry doesn't have any lines by his face, yet Obama did, yet Kerry smiles in the Fi way. Another note to make is that the "lines" are generally more vertical and pinched to the center, making them shorter than the lines which elongate themselves in the Fe-doms due to the widening of the smile. This isn't always true though, but it's a secondary effect worth noting.
And just for fun, let's add another Fi signal to the mix, to contrast against:
These are asymmetrical Fi face. You remember how George W. Bush was famous for making his odd mouth expressions? That was his lower-Fi. It has an "uncoordinated" feel to them. A lot of politicians are Te and they'll have this peculiar mouth style. In contrast Obama's mouth is quite coordinated in just about any pic you find of him - or at least it 'make sense' even if it's a little funny.
Now I'm going to do something that's going to confuse you a bit. There is something very distinct that happens in the smiles of Fi-leads often times.
This is Fi-lead Janet Jackson. Notice something curious? The smile is "wide" but there's clearly a heavy pudgyness. The cheeks become little apples and there's a heavy clash between them and the rising smile. A smile rising to the sides isn't the whole picture of what makes the difference between Fe and Fi. Contrast Janet's cheeks on the area below the eyes against Obama & Rachel. You'll see that the Ti still shows in Obama/Rachel while Janet has tension all over her face- at just about every inch.
More Subtle Fi.
These are also actually Fi faces
In the first picture you see Jackson's face when not smiling. In generally he always has tension between the cheekbones and lower lips in just about any picture of him you find. Now the second picture is where it's tricky because it can be confused for Fe, but the way the tension on his cheeks is concentrated in those little apples is not in the same way the cheeks of Fe-users are. The cheeks of Fe users will seem as though they're destroying the neutralization of Ti off the cheeks by adding a smile over it. While the cheeks of Fi users will seem as though the cheeks are already tense and then you're adding an extra smile atop the tension - causing even more 'tightening' of the face due to the overwhelm.
This Fi-lead smile is actually best exemplified by this youtuber (she's FiSe)
(I won't take still shots though, so all I can do is link it here for you)
Smiles at places like: 1:39, 1:53
Janet Jackson and Michael Jackson videos also have this, and more of hers too.
This is definitely a signal that took me a while to get down, since it's one of the most subtle ones, so don't stress too much if it's not easy at first.
In Summary: Each of the smiles in each of the hierarchical positions is slightly different. The rule of wideness, the rule of snarling and so on apply in general across them all but there are particulars to each. Fi in lead position has a distinct smile, as does Fi in sub-polar/tertiary. The best indicator of whether a smile is Fi or Fe is to observe how it rises on the face in realtime. Still frames don't capture the whole bending process of the face. Fi smiles will rise up toward the center and clash with the cheeks due to the tension that already existed, while Fe smiles will rise up somewhat more diagonally toward the ears and not clash with the cheeks (because the cheeks were flat to begin with) but fill them up with warmth.