Due to the fact that these 'Larin Video Series Clear Examples' threads were created as places for us to post clear examples of types and not wrong typings hehe ^^, and also due to the fact that these threads were becoming a big big mess (see conversation about it: cognitivetype.boards.net/thread/793/) in that thread we came to the conclusion that it's better that members post a celebrity or youtuber-celeb [create a thread with his/her name] in the board 'Reading Practice & Celebrity Typing' and only after a consensus involving discussion of signals should we post videos here.
So, if you think someone is a clear example of a CT, instead of posting the person here, open a thread with the person's name (in case the person is not there yet) here: cognitivetype.boards.net/board/7/readers
This video is great for psychoanalyzing exactly how an SeTi rationalizes a situation, moves in the social dynamics (Fe), to the aim of Se. SeTi can be very keen on how they approach their sensory experience for optimization, and direct all the effort of Ti analysis toward that.
Signals: - Eye-Centric - Momentum/Fluidity - Se Penetrative Stare - Se Eyes at brim of sockets - Ni mild zone-out, top eyelid resting over eyes lightly
- Fe Warm emphasis - Fe Disclaimers/Ethical-Alignments - Ti Perfectionist Speech - Ti (some) pauses/halts
This is one common shade of SeTi (certainly not the only shade) which has an affinity for technical skills which they can master through a sensory avenue. His channel's filled with great examples of these sort of talents he explores. One good example would be:
This video is great for psychoanalyzing exactly how an SeTi rationalizes a situation, moves in the social dynamics (Fe), to the aim of Se. SeTi can be very keen on how they approach their sensory experience for optimization, and direct all the effort of Ti analysis toward that.
Signals: - Eye-Centric - Momentum/Fluidity - Se Penetrative Stare - Se Eyes at brim of sockets - Ni mild zone-out, top eyelid resting over eyes lightly
- Fe Warm emphasis - Fe Disclaimers/Ethical-Alignments - Ti Perfectionist Speech - Ti (some) pauses/halts
This is one common shade of SeTi (certainly not the only shade) which has an affinity for technical skills which they can master through a sensory avenue. His channel's filled with great examples of these sort of talents he explores. One good example would be:
While I agree with your assessment of function set, I am seeing Fe/Ti and Ni/Se.
He's animated and passionate about what he's talking about, and his facial expression is in an almost constant state of Fe (high eyebrows, wide smile, warm eyes - emotion seeming to spread the face, rather than contract it like Fi). Everything he's discussing is based on his perceptions of social dynamics (Fe) and pattern recognition of those interactions (Ni). A lot of his advice is less self serving and more geared toward accommodating the 'girl' (aka other person), which is again Fe > Ti. His Ni is through-the-roof good when it comes to seeing the subtle patterns in how people interact Fe > Ni.
His animated passion is likely two factors: Fe (expressing one's feelings as well as seeking consensus in values, such as making a video about teaching, aka mentoring guys on how to have better relationships while also treating women better than just sex objects [which is likely what is going on in his 'peer group']) and tertiary Se (taking action in real time, reacting, and interacting), combined with something that can be very elusive about Fe... Fe is the great imitator. It is a natural mimic, by nature of being both an expression of values and a desire to form values consensus via emotional cues. Every Fe dom will absorb behaviors and mannerisms (even methods of speech and accents) like a sponge when paired with Ni (which can see and adapt to subtle cues, unlike Si), but can at times make FeNi's difficult to type. This gentleman comes from a strongly Se based community, and is therefore absorbing a lot of Se-isms.
His Ti ability to break things down into components is actually subservient to his ability to see the components and make profoundly insightful inductions (Ni). It is not uncommon for Ni > Ti to seem to have very strong Ti, because Ni is perhaps the least expressed of the functions, and they even 'look alike' with very neutral expressions. Consider how he's primarily speaking in abstractions and concepts rather than definitions and clarifications. Most importantly, consider how often he's cruising on Ni zone outsWHILE his Fe is expressing itself.
However, if he were an SeTi from that culture, he would give no fucks about making a video to educate people on how to have better relationships, interactions, and in the process treat women like fellow human beings. It's clear that he LOVES people. I'm not saying that an SeTi doesn't love people, but people, mentoring, and making the world a better place (one perceived problem at a time) is clearly this guy's focus. Combine that with the perpetual Fe on his face, and it's shockingly obvious to me that this is an FeNi.
Although the persona of this person ( cognitivetype.boards.net/post/760 ) is one not palpable to all, due to the street style he's saturated in (i personally like him), it's another clear example of this Fe/Ti deconstruction of Fe dynamics. The tracking of currency in the emotional world, and Ti-calibration/feedback aiding in the graceful fluidity in that dynamic.
This ^ supports my theory that he is an FeNi, and the 'street style' as you call it is his absorbed expression of Se.
Also, I very much like him too. He's got a good soul, and most importantly is trying to make the world a better place (NF).
Honestly, I think you're a genius at spotting 'quadras', and the system you're developing is amazing for it.
Disclaimer: Everything I say here is my OPINION. Please keep that in mind.
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 19, 2013 11:02:25 GMT -5
The Doctor : I find your explanation very insightful and plausible on a theoretical level, in particular in the context of an artificial video recording like this one, but I have yet to confirm it with my personal experience. Too bad I speak mostly in French during the conversations, otherwise you would be able to guess that I have used a lot of typing theory to try to help people decipher other people these days, and I believe someone like SeTi EJarendee might be prone to this attitude too.
Nevertheless, I still think that this might have more to do with typing ability than lack of criteria. After all, you have been able to guess it yourself because of the heavy Fe signals, and while looking myself, I find this man very articulate even if he does very swift moves. His Fe lead (if that would be confirmed, but the lack of material is unhelpful) would still show through his tailored Fe persona, perhaps because some cues are too arbitrary and small (like face neutrality and vibrating) to be at the same time spontaneously spotted and that well interpreted for long periods of time. Maybe this Fe lead would only have seen that Se people were moving a lot and quickly, but not that a Se lead would be randomly vibrating more, and be less smiley, also that he would probably not care in the first place, only wanting the sufficient amount to partake. Fe mimics but except in the case of very gifted individuals specifically devoted to acting, Fe often fails its lookalike in my opinion, firstly because the individual would not want to alienate himself too much.
Also, maybe he only intends to be somewhat funny and does not want his interpretation/caricature to be too close to original ?
Edit : I wanted to add that, for me, your Fe is not really showed in your posts themselves, but implied by the way you answer really properly and actually share a lot of your explaining without making it personal. You do not come really as a person with Fe but if we were to postulate that you are and treat you like one, it somehow works on some unspoken/unshowed level. You have invisible Fe, and it is sometimes confirmed by a slight bending of the light around it
Last Edit: Oct 30, 2014 13:49:15 GMT -5 by ayoungspirit
Also, maybe he only intends to be somewhat funny and does not want his interpretation/caricature to be too close to original ?
He seems extremely sincere to me.
However, this video really clenches my opinion that he's an FeNi. His intention is to not only teach and share what he knows (Fe), he wants to teach concepts (Ni) not 'sets' to memorize (Si). His focus is dance, which is a 'play' activity, and Se is the 'play' function for FeNi. And the aminus function for FeNi is Ti, giving him an urge to explain and clarify (aka teach).
Last Edit: Jul 19, 2013 11:30:04 GMT -5 by The Doctor
Disclaimer: Everything I say here is my OPINION. Please keep that in mind.
"Acting" and "sincere" are paradoxically not incompatible, perhaps especially in the case of high-Fe users. They can play somewhat of an artificial show for very sincere reasons and without the intent to manipulate (at least consciously), and this show can be somewhat ironic just to be more fun. "Look at me, I am a sympathetic silly teacher who will actually share with you some playful insights, playful but true !"
Beside, for high Fe user, I think the line between acting and being authentic can be more than a little blurry, even if it is not perfectly assumed by the user.
Last Edit: Jul 19, 2013 11:40:59 GMT -5 by ayoungspirit
Post by chaoticbrain on Jul 24, 2013 15:30:07 GMT -5
I think I found an accurately typed SeTi here on the left. Not sure about the guy on the right but I don't think he has Se/Ni. He has those intimidating piercing eyes, hard for me to make eye contact with these types of people.
Last Edit: Jul 24, 2013 17:07:43 GMT -5 by chaoticbrain
Every Fe dom will absorb behaviors and mannerisms (even methods of speech and accents) like a sponge when paired with Ni (which can see and adapt to subtle cues, unlike Si), but can at times make FeNi's difficult to type.
I totally relate to that aspect! When immersed in a foreign linguistic context, I cannot help but absorb new mimics, non-verbal language and interjections. Many expressions and intonations I use are borrowed from relatives and even TV characters sometimes. I'm not very good at imitating people on purpose, though. It's kind of difficult to represent all the subtle aspects I spoted, in the concrete, Se reality, it's like, my body and face are not up to reflect my perception. But I'm definitely very sensitive to mimetism.
(which can see and adapt to subtle cues, unlike Si)
That's something I was totally unaware of, until my boyfriend told me I was always perfectly adapting my behaviour to his emotionnal state.
Jimmy Kimmel is an SeTi. There is a guy ejarundee who is an SeTi, he knows type very well. He comments on how the different types act like physically and gives good examples in many of his videos. I think he might be a good source for this site. Below is one of his videos:
SeTi do a lot of eye-scanning and their eyes appear relaxed/cool. When they go into Fe mode than they can be quite expressive and that is where the relaxed/cool look ends.