Bob Dylan's Type?

Seth
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Bob Dylan's Type? Oct 20, 2013 15:34:57 GMT -5 by Seth

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Post by Seth on Oct 20, 2013 15:34:57 GMT -5

Hi Everyone, I'm new to this forum.
What do you think Bob Dylan's type is? I'm new to this but I would think he's TiSe. I see him oscillating between Ti (dispassion, receding to the core, and disengagement of the eyes) and Fe(interpersonal smiling, warmth, humor, voice swelling). I also see some oscillating between Se(locking onto his inquirer) and Ni(zoning out). He seems lead by his face with his eyes out of synch( Ji-lead).

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chaoticbrain Senior Member Posts: 555	Bob Dylan's Type? Oct 20, 2013 18:17:45 GMT -5 by chaoticbrain Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by chaoticbrain on Oct 20, 2013 18:17:45 GMT -5 I've only looked at him a little bit, but I'm pretty sure your right. He seems like a good example of TiSe.

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Bob Dylan's Type? Dec 9, 2013 6:27:26 GMT -5 by harman

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Post by harman on Dec 9, 2013 6:27:26 GMT -5

Have to disagree.....
His eyes are constantly darting around during the interview, and I would say he leads with his eyes. He seems like a Pe lead to me. The eyes seem soft and lack the penetrative quality of Se/Ni. I think Ne/Si is a better fit.
As for his Ji/Je, he expresses himself in a very matter of fact kind of way, with little in the way of 'warming articulations' imo (Te). His voice is soft and kind of 'breathy/airy', and his smile seems more of a 'snarl' than an interpersonal smile (4:28, 4:27, and 7:10 for asymetrical smile), suggests Fi to me.

I would say Bob is an example of a NeFi

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Bob Dylan's Type? Dec 10, 2013 2:14:02 GMT -5 by chaoticbrain

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Post by chaoticbrain on Dec 10, 2013 2:14:02 GMT -5

I can understand the confusion in mistaking the Fe-polar for Fi-snarl in bob dylan. I saw this and was like what the...

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But ya, very clear Ti user, doesn't display tension at any point in time, and has very relaxed cheecks. His way of acting where he kind of has this eye-rolling and contempt for social conventions, but at the same time is sort of smooth or appearing cool to others seems characteristic of Ti-leads to me.

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Bob Dylan's Type? Dec 11, 2013 1:39:51 GMT -5 by harman

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Post by harman on Dec 11, 2013 1:39:51 GMT -5

Can someone please point out some Fe polar smiles? I see a lot of 'snarls' (1:55, 4:28, big one at 4:38, and especially 7:09). Imo, no real polar smiles. Just watched some tony hawk interview videos as chaoticbrain suggested to make sure I wasn't loosing my mind - to me Tony he has a clear polar smile and other indications of Ti (pupiteer hands, voice does not remain monotonous with plenty of warm pushes).
Bob is very monotonous, and very matter of fact. He does not relate answers to questions as much as he states them, in a matter of fact way, with little or no intonation (Te). He disengages downwards, but retains a personal warmth imo (Fi).
I really can't see the Ti.......

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Bob Dylan's Type? Dec 11, 2013 12:53:33 GMT -5 by chaoticbrain sitbone likes this

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Post by chaoticbrain on Dec 11, 2013 12:53:33 GMT -5

harman I think I can explain some things.

Snarling vs. wide smiling should not be used as a 100% indicator because people's facial structure plays into it. People who have skinny faces will naturally look like their smile is going up rather than to the sides, and someone who has a pudgy face will naturally make a sort of "snarling" smililng regardless of whether they have Fi or Fe. Bob Dylan is very much coming off as "I'm cool" with his smiles, they aren't personal at all.

His smiles are Fe-polar because they don't go high up on the face, but go still go more to the sides and have that relaxed Ti look.

Bob Dylan's articulation is cold, but it's not so monotone as to rule out Ti/Fe, compare him to someone like this.

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If he had articulation like that, then Ti/Fe would seem unlikely, but I would say if it's not extreme monotone, then it's hard exactly to tell based purely on articulation.

His articulation is actually similar to mine and other Ti/Fe users I know, though I have trouble exactly putting into words how it is.

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Seth New Member Posts: 17 Type: ???	Bob Dylan's Type? Dec 12, 2013 0:31:33 GMT -5 by Seth sitbone likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Seth on Dec 12, 2013 0:31:33 GMT -5 Hi everyone, His sense of humor and self parodies, I think are that of an Fe user.

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Bob Dylan's Type? Dec 12, 2013 2:32:11 GMT -5 by harman

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Post by harman on Dec 12, 2013 2:32:11 GMT -5

Ok, so here's a Tony Hawk video I've been looking at just to prove to myself that I'm not oblivious to Ti signals (only looked at the first minute or so addmittedly).

To me there are clear indications of Ti/Fe on Tony. His polar smile right off the bat at 0:05, again at 0:15, again at 0:26 and so on. He has deadpan cheeks at rest while waiting for questions. He has warm pushes or swells throughout the interview with his hands, and body. There is an example of a warm Fe head-nod at 0:32. There is a warm elongated swell of his hands and 'pupiteering' from 0:54-1:02.

Chaoticbrain, thanks for the video. Yes this does demonstrate a very monotonous delivery. Bob is definetly less harsh in his delivery, but still very blunt and monotonous. 'We all like motorcycles' - flat, quick, blunt, dismissive. 'No I don't forsee it, but its more of a ruthless type of feeling' - again monotonous and without intonation.

I'm not trying to rule out Ti, I'm trying to find as many signals as I can of either Fi/Te or Ti/Fe, and lean towards one or the other depending on what I can see.

As much as this is an objective exercise, I think it would be easy to bias what I see, so if someone could point out specific examples (times) where Ti/Fe stands out I'll do my best to take it on board.
At the moment, I still lean towards Fi/Te.

Chaoticbrain, I hear what you're saying about facial structure playing into fe vs fi smiles, does young Bob's facial structure really make his smiles deceiving? I'm at a loss to see how the smile at 4:28 and again at 7:11 can be seen as a Fe smile!!! As you said, a smile alone isn't 100% proof, and again I'm not looking for 100% proof, just enough evidence to give me confidence one way or the other. If we don't go by smiles what about body language? His matter of fact head nods at 4:20, 5:08, and 5:33 seem much more fi/te than ti/fe (contrast with Tony Hawks head nod at 0:32). What about his soft monotonous voice (agreeably not as harsh as Ray Kurzweil, but contrast with Tony Hawk and its very monotonous). The breathy/airy articulation? I can understand you typing him according to types of people you know, but I can't see these people

. Please convince me with what we can both see!

Cheers!

Post by Seth on Oct 20, 2013 15:34:57 GMT -5

Post by chaoticbrain on Oct 20, 2013 18:17:45 GMT -5

Post by harman on Dec 9, 2013 6:27:26 GMT -5

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Post by harman on Dec 11, 2013 1:39:51 GMT -5

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