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Khendrin
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Confirm my type May 21, 2014 14:55:25 GMT -5 by Khendrin

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Post by Khendrin on May 21, 2014 14:55:25 GMT -5

Hi again,

I'm posting again about my type. Time has passed, and I made a video (calm, at home). I think I'm more open to advices and interested in your opinion. Video is in french, as english isn't my mother tongue in first place.

So, here we are:

Thank you in advance

Last Edit: May 21, 2014 14:56:06 GMT -5 by Khendrin

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Confirm my type May 21, 2014 16:42:01 GMT -5 by TheLogicFan

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Post by TheLogicFan on May 21, 2014 16:42:01 GMT -5

I think you are a TeNi.

(Pinterest: TeNi)

Signals: Ni/Se eyes (various signals), Te Continuous speech, Te Eyebrow raises, Te Head shakes/nods, Te Shrugs, Fi Asymmetry, Fi Leaks, Fi Hands, Je-energy (various signals).

Khendrin
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Confirm my type May 22, 2014 3:56:09 GMT -5 by Khendrin

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Post by Khendrin on May 22, 2014 3:56:09 GMT -5

Thanks TLF

For information, I did first video in other topic: cognitivetype.boards.net/thread/642/another-begging-typing. I'm uploading again the video in order to make comparison. In first video I'm talking about a subject I know well, whereas in the second video I took one of the basic question suggested by Erifrail.

TeNi. Interesting indeed

EDIT: first video

SPOILER: Click to show

Last Edit: May 22, 2014 3:58:40 GMT -5 by Khendrin

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IluvHSJ
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Confirm my type May 22, 2014 18:34:31 GMT -5 by IluvHSJ via mobile roberts likes this

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Post by IluvHSJ on May 22, 2014 18:34:31 GMT -5

Can you send any vids of you or pics of you smiling?

I think I see lots of Ni in you. I was going to agree with TeNi...but now I am not sure because Fi tension is hard to spot. I do see Te looking eye brow raises. But I still would like some pics of vid of you smiling to be sure. I can also see NiFe too... but then your posture seems rigid...like a J-lead. Yet your voice/energy seems like an introverted function is 1st. I will need to analyze more and hopefully some smiling pics can help.

"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ

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Confirm my type May 23, 2014 5:08:57 GMT -5 by Khendrin IluvHSJ likes this

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Post by Khendrin on May 23, 2014 5:08:57 GMT -5

IluvHSJ> Here are some smiling photos:

1) I was younger, and bit of alcohol

2) a bit younger.

3) About same time.

4) Nowadays

Hope it will help

After that can you explain to me: how from my first video to my second, I passed from typed NeTi (or TiNe) to TeNi (or NiTe) ?
I mean environment, questions and state of mind makes appearance of different signals, and I'm not sure we can assess with only ponctual video...or is it ?

EDIT: PICTURES REMOVED

Last Edit: Jul 1, 2015 3:50:19 GMT -5 by Khendrin

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Confirm my type May 24, 2014 17:57:08 GMT -5 by IluvHSJ via mobile

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Post by IluvHSJ on May 24, 2014 17:57:08 GMT -5

Thanks for the pics. Unfortunately I still couldnt really see Fi tension anywhere. The best evidence would be a video where you are smiling. But other people might be able to tell with what u provided.

I think "changing" types is common due to our subjectivity as readers. The more you study facial signals, you will see how tough it can be and how most signals are subtly different from each other. So the more vids (i personally think) the better since we can then arm ourselves with more evidence that you are using certain functions. From your first vid, I still guessed Ni/Se and not Ne, though...but I will keep reviewing till I make a decision. ..I could be completely off

Last Edit: May 24, 2014 19:11:31 GMT -5 by IluvHSJ

"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ

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Confirm my type May 24, 2014 19:25:58 GMT -5 by IluvHSJ via mobile

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Post by IluvHSJ on May 24, 2014 19:25:58 GMT -5

Ok. I think I am going with TeNi too. After watching video 1 more.

You seem face-centric like a J-lead and have good eye-contact like a J-lead. Your eyes are intense when you scowl, also called a "manic scowl". You seem to have lots of Te eye brow raises. Very fast and happens throughout. When you do smile, it does seem asymmetrical at times too.

Last Edit: May 24, 2014 19:26:44 GMT -5 by IluvHSJ

"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ

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Confirm my type May 24, 2014 23:28:18 GMT -5 by roberts

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Post by roberts on May 24, 2014 23:28:18 GMT -5

My best guess is NiTe. You had the Te monotonous speech but Ni leads can really get on a roll in speech as well. A Te would have likely kicked off the video right away with speaking where as you took a few seconds to gather your thoughts. That seems more Ni lead to me. Lots of Te brow raises and Te flat affect.

"It is the theory that decides what we can observe" -Einstein

Khendrin
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Confirm my type May 26, 2014 4:12:42 GMT -5 by Khendrin

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Post by Khendrin on May 26, 2014 4:12:42 GMT -5

Thanks people for your point of view on typing, I'm quite happy of your feedbacks

The point with Video 1, is that I talk about myself (which is complex but known subject), so I speak with ease. With that, eye contact is easier through webcam. In fact what is quite funny when speaking with people is that I get through 2 steps:
- If I'm listening, I can stand with my eyes in person eyes (or fixing objects but with mind in conversation, "zoning out") with little difficulty.
- If I'm talking, I have little contact with the eyes of the person, having most of my time my eyes looking somewhere else.

About my type and from the little (but not so) I know from other sources (MBTI/Keirsey/Socionics/Jungians Functions), I'm definitly Introverted. An amusing fact is when I'm doubting of my MBTI type, I get the extraverted from CT:
- First typed as INTJ (so NiTe) in MBTI, CT typed me as NeTi.
- Now thinking about possibilities of INTP (TiNe) in MBTI, CT typed me as TeNi.
Maybe there is an impact about questionning, which affect the reading, and sending different messages from face and body move ?

But so far, I found the approch of CT fascinating, and the will to get closer to Jung's Theory with more scientific aspects and more practical aspects is definitly paramount to other theories.
Still, it misses a few point:
- The reader has subjective approach that affect the results.
- Signals are difficult to see in individuals.
- The affect, environment and state of mind affect greatly on the determination of type.

In the end, I'm agree that the only way to get to the whole point, is to multiply videos (with a little risk to "lose" the typing in a flood of information).

Khendrin

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Post by IluvHSJ on May 26, 2014 15:05:18 GMT -5

Yeah...I am still new to this, so I change my mind often... I can now see that you have introverted energy. Either Pi or Ji lead perhaps.

Feel free to post more. Especially to see more smiles.

Last Edit: May 27, 2014 0:20:14 GMT -5 by IluvHSJ

"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ

Khendrin
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Confirm my type May 27, 2014 2:47:43 GMT -5 by Khendrin IluvHSJ likes this

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Post by Khendrin on May 27, 2014 2:47:43 GMT -5

May 26, 2014 15:05:18 GMT -5 IluvHSJ said:

Yeah...I am still new to this, so I change my mind often... I can now see that you have introverted energy. Either Pi or Ji lead perhaps.

Feel free to post more. Especially to see more smiles.

In fact, I was thinking more globaly and with the difference between First and Second video, nothing personal

I'll do, my best to help you with smiles, but I do have difficulties to find vids/pics where I smile naturaly. Most of the time I get forced smile or little one.

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Confirm my type May 29, 2014 1:43:52 GMT -5 by Tweeter Khendrin likes this

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Post by Tweeter on May 29, 2014 1:43:52 GMT -5

It's somewhat odd typing somebody while not knowing where their articulation is being placed in their sentences. Because I don't understand French I can't pick out if there was any emphasis what I theorize is "buzzwords" (though that theory may be born from a few years of MBTI not out of my system yet). Anyway, I believe you are NiTe or TeNi. I am moreso inclined to believe TeNi.
My reasoning for this is that you definitely have the more so intense eyes of Ni, and the speech of a Te (In addition to the facial asymmetry). At the beginning of the video I thought I had seen Ni in your somewhat reserved speech, and slow start-up to speaking, with a lot of "pattern consulting".

Later on I noticed that you started to act what may be considered a little less "awkward". It's possible that you were not prepared to speak in front of the camera, and had just turned on the camera without thinking about it ahead of time. That would cause anybody to be a little more reserved. In addition, you could have been sort of nervous to be posting a video of yourself to the internet. Which would also make you a little more reserved until you warmed up. Anyway, my point is that halfway through the video you somewhat suddenly began to act a bit more outward, and Te-dominant-like.

(I really think my MBTI experience is skewing my ability to read types, in addition to the above mention of MBTI, it is possible that I subconsciously read him speaking quietly as an 'introverted thing' which doesn't belong in CT or Jungian ideas.)

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Confirm my type May 29, 2014 4:18:55 GMT -5 by IluvHSJ via mobile

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Post by IluvHSJ on May 29, 2014 4:18:55 GMT -5

Yeah. I am also at a toss up between TeNi and NiTe.

Last Edit: May 29, 2014 6:21:21 GMT -5 by IluvHSJ

"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ

Khendrin
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Confirm my type May 30, 2014 6:13:51 GMT -5 by Khendrin

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Post by Khendrin on May 30, 2014 6:13:51 GMT -5

May 29, 2014 1:43:52 GMT -5 Tweeter said:

It's somewhat odd typing somebody while not knowing where their articulation is being placed in their sentences. Because I don't understand French I can't pick out if there was any emphasis what I theorize is "buzzwords" (though that theory may be born from a few years of MBTI not out of my system yet). Anyway, I believe you are NiTe or TeNi. I am moreso inclined to believe TeNi.
My reasoning for this is that you definitely have the more so intense eyes of Ni, and the speech of a Te (In addition to the facial asymmetry). At the beginning of the video I thought I had seen Ni in your somewhat reserved speech, and slow start-up to speaking, with a lot of "pattern consulting".

Later on I noticed that you started to act what may be considered a little less "awkward". It's possible that you were not prepared to speak in front of the camera, and had just turned on the camera without thinking about it ahead of time. That would cause anybody to be a little more reserved. In addition, you could have been sort of nervous to be posting a video of yourself to the internet. Which would also make you a little more reserved until you warmed up. Anyway, my point is that halfway through the video you somewhat suddenly began to act a bit more outward, and Te-dominant-like.

(I really think my MBTI experience is skewing my ability to read types, in addition to the above mention of MBTI, it is possible that I subconsciously read him speaking quietly as an 'introverted thing' which doesn't belong in CT or Jungian ideas.)

Hi Tweeter,

thanks for your comment. Did you see my 1st video? It was in english and with more preparation, if you want another source of typing. The thing is, I made a 1st video and people told me: "try a video without thinking or preparation, and speak in your mother tongue", but basicaly I think there is a big gap to type someone with or without preperation. For exemple: typing an actor after hours of rehearsal to fit a perfect line with text prepared is one thing. Typing the same person with personnal question and being a bit "unprepared" is another. Some of the greastest actors were Ji or Pi, but were capable of emulating Je / Pe through training.
I think also, that part of psyche cannot work with improvisation very well. I know I need preparation, or without that, my speech will be absolutly "awkward".

Besides, the instructions for video weren't very clear:
"Try not to premeditate your answer. It's better if you think about the question in realtime, to help identify the involvement of your psyche as you construct an answer."
But in same time:
"You can talk about anything, so long as it's engaging to you."

Well, how can we decides if a subject is engaging you, if you don't know what you gonna talk about ?

Indeed lots of questions comes to my mind at the moment, but surely, it is better when you get someone in front to ask you questions.

So for now, I stand in Te/Ni, Ni/Te, Ne/Ti questionning, but that is cool, you get deeper all together and many thanks for that.

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Confirm my type Jun 1, 2014 2:34:20 GMT -5 by Tweeter

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Post by Tweeter on Jun 1, 2014 2:34:20 GMT -5

May 30, 2014 6:13:51 GMT -5 Khendrin said:

May 29, 2014 1:43:52 GMT -5 Tweeter said:

It's somewhat odd typing somebody while not knowing where their articulation is being placed in their sentences. Because I don't understand French I can't pick out if there was any emphasis what I theorize is "buzzwords" (though that theory may be born from a few years of MBTI not out of my system yet). Anyway, I believe you are NiTe or TeNi. I am moreso inclined to believe TeNi.
My reasoning for this is that you definitely have the more so intense eyes of Ni, and the speech of a Te (In addition to the facial asymmetry). At the beginning of the video I thought I had seen Ni in your somewhat reserved speech, and slow start-up to speaking, with a lot of "pattern consulting".

Later on I noticed that you started to act what may be considered a little less "awkward". It's possible that you were not prepared to speak in front of the camera, and had just turned on the camera without thinking about it ahead of time. That would cause anybody to be a little more reserved. In addition, you could have been sort of nervous to be posting a video of yourself to the internet. Which would also make you a little more reserved until you warmed up. Anyway, my point is that halfway through the video you somewhat suddenly began to act a bit more outward, and Te-dominant-like.

(I really think my MBTI experience is skewing my ability to read types, in addition to the above mention of MBTI, it is possible that I subconsciously read him speaking quietly as an 'introverted thing' which doesn't belong in CT or Jungian ideas.)

Hi Tweeter,

thanks for your comment. Did you see my 1st video? It was in english and with more preparation, if you want another source of typing. The thing is, I made a 1st video and people told me: "try a video without thinking or preparation, and speak in your mother tongue", but basicaly I think there is a big gap to type someone with or without preperation. For exemple: typing an actor after hours of rehearsal to fit a perfect line with text prepared is one thing. Typing the same person with personnal question and being a bit "unprepared" is another. Some of the greastest actors were Ji or Pi, but were capable of emulating Je / Pe through training.
I think also, that part of psyche cannot work with improvisation very well. I know I need preparation, or without that, my speech will be absolutly "awkward".

Besides, the instructions for video weren't very clear:
"Try not to premeditate your answer. It's better if you think about the question in realtime, to help identify the involvement of your psyche as you construct an answer."
But in same time:
"You can talk about anything, so long as it's engaging to you."

Well, how can we decides if a subject is engaging you, if you don't know what you gonna talk about ?

Indeed lots of questions comes to my mind at the moment, but surely, it is better when you get someone in front to ask you questions.

So for now, I stand in Te/Ni, Ni/Te, Ne/Ti questionning, but that is cool, you get deeper all together and many thanks for that.

Hey Khendrin,
I did look at the video of you speaking in English, and I definitely had a feeling that it was (at least somewhat) scripted which might change the way you appear. I could see a lot of both Te/Ni and Ne/Ti in that video though which was sort of confusing. Maybe when you speak in English, because it isn't so natural, you change how you act a bit yet your natural functions still show through. It is really amazing seeing the differences between prepared and unprepared speech though, especially seeing good actors show a completely different type than who they are. I also definitely agree that the setup they are looking for for videos is quite odd, I think maybe the best way they could find a person's type would be to film a conversation between two people, therefore making it natural, then the other person can fill in the gaps like they normally would making there no awkward pauses.
Anyway, thank you for letting us type you.

Heads Up!

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