Admin Notice: This is a split thread originally posted here. TheLogicFan I'm curious as to how you would type the guy of whom I posted a video? Do you also think he's NeFi? He's bugged me for a while but now I'm pretty sure.
Last Edit: Oct 10, 2014 15:35:19 GMT -5 by TheLogicFan
TheLogicFan I'm curious as to how you would type the guy of whom I posted a video? Do you also think he's NeFi? He's bugged me for a while but now I'm pretty sure.
François Descraques is definitely not a NeTi, but he isn't a NeFi either. He is actually a Se/Ni user. He has all the typical Se/Ni signals. I think he is a SeFi (alt. FiSe)
Signals: Se Toggling, Se Lock-on, Se Eye-bulging, Se Perk-up, Ni Drift, Ni Eyelids, Ni Scowls, Fi Asymmetry, Fi Laugh, Fi Hands, Fi Leaks.
Btw, Britney Spears isn’t a NeFi either. She does have the same functions, but she is actually a TeSi. So it's not surprising that you don't speak like her.
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Post by peppergirl on Oct 10, 2014 15:00:17 GMT -5
TheLogicFan I actually thought he was SeFi in the beginning, but Asians (well he's part Asian only but still) tend to have more Se-looking eyes, and compared to his brother Raphael, his eyes look softer/more naive. Also, his work seems more Ne and he has a naiveté to him...
Unrelated: I'm in sort of an identity crisis, I think a lot of high Te are mistyped as high Fi (like you said about Britney, though I'm not sure about her) to the point I wonder if I'm a high Te myself, have you seen the video of Olivia Ruiz? I tend to think she's SiTe, but she could be a high Fi Delta. Another one I suspect to be SiTe is Sophie Marceau who has more of an "ENFP" persona.
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Post by TheLogicFan on Oct 10, 2014 15:51:23 GMT -5
peppergirl, I wouldn't say that Asians in general have more Se-looking eyes. The main difference, as far as the eyes goes, is that the skin around the eyes is "tighter" and less used in facial gestures. As such we have to look more closely (directly) at the eyes themselves when we type Asians. François Descraques though, doesn't have this genetic difference. His skin (around his eyes) is completely "normal" (compared to non-Asians). Even if he had had the Asian variation of skin around the eyes, the signals that I list above are independent of this. You don't display this many of the signals if you don't use Se/Ni.
I agree with you that some high Te users have been mistyped as high Fi in the past. In the early days of CT Je-leads was poorly understood and a number of them was mistyped because of this. I don't think I have seen any videos of Olivia Ruiz. Did you post one somewhere?
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Post by At-Ease Zazeef on Oct 10, 2014 15:52:09 GMT -5
Gonna throw up that vid in this thread for easier reference.
I think I'm in agreement TheLogicFan for SeFi, though I haven't spent a lot of time really digging at the Fi vs. Ti. I will say that he reminded me very much of Jack White, particularly in the eyes (and let me just say I am sure of Jack White's Fi; it's more those eyes/Se vs. Ne I'm interested in with him), which I broached in the Jimmy Page thread. Let me throw that vid up here for comparison's sake (though I'll open up a separate thread for ol' Jackie if resolution on him isn't reached in passing in just a couple of posts here; not trying to thread-jack! lol)
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Post by At-Ease Zazeef on Oct 10, 2014 16:21:07 GMT -5
Here's another vid I searched up for François Descraques.
Fi/Te is much more apparent here. Micro-head shakes all over the place, Fi tension here and there, snippy/dismissive gestures, shrugs and stuff. Yeah. SeFi. Makes me a little more confident of Jack White as SeFi as well. Super similar, these two.
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Post by At-Ease Zazeef on Oct 10, 2014 16:37:51 GMT -5
Lol, yeah, I don't have any confidence in my ability to spot the Ne toggle cue, which I initially took to be a big one. Instead I have to rely on scowls, Se eye brims and lock-ons, and maaaybe some clear "Umm, I just realized I might be in the middle of a clearing in the woods about to get attacked from any side. Did I miss something?" Ne naivety in order to pick between the two Pe functions. Se eyes are just sooo much more active in a way I would expect to be Ne!
Is that sort of what you're talking about, peps? ( <-- This is that Ne naivety in text form, lol)
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Post by peppergirl on Oct 10, 2014 16:53:53 GMT -5
Hum, yeah Se people definitely seem to toggle a lot more than I thought. They also blink a lot sometimes. For example, his brother, whom I thought was SeFi (but I was influenced by his roles) is I think FiSe, which would explain the very different vibe than his brother:
It seems Fi-lead has a very shy demeanor. Makes me wonder if my brother is not an FiSe after all, rather than SeFi. He disengages down a lot like him.
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Post by TheLogicFan on Oct 10, 2014 17:03:23 GMT -5
You may also want to check out Sam Raimi and Ted Raimi. They are also brothers and have closely related types. Sam Raimi is a FiSe and Ted Raimi is SeFi.
I always think of them as good examples of their types because Sam Raimi is movie director and Ted Raimi is an actor.
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peppergirl, At-Ease Zazeef, TheLogicFan, I'm beginning to gain some confidence in my face / eye centricity typings but it's still shaky. I'm seeing what I think is face centricity in Francois. Would any of you care to take another look at him and try to talk me out of it? I dont yet know how to make my case for Ji face centricity but it comes through quite Jx for me. Similar to Je in some ways, but rather than all the punctuating head nods it's more of sudden, jerky, squaring of the cheek bones on the audience. Interested in any thoughts if you guys having talked this one all out already.
Actually, I'm not sure for François Descraques. He's pretty deadpan and dispassionate in most of his videos. And when he actually plays roles, he reminds me of Mr Bean but in a very witty version. His eyes don't have the drowsy/piercing eyes of his brother Raphaël. Very very different, psychologically too. It's like François embodies Delta values... Very geeky and naive. I think his eyes seem more focused like high Si eyes usually are. Me thinks he's an SiTe. He sort of reminds me of myself by the way.
He's veeeery different from my SeFi brother and Robert Pattinson & co.
Also, his posture is very static and inertial, not much Pe energy and impredictability. Se-leads gives me a sense of "danger" in their presence.
Last Edit: Nov 9, 2014 23:58:02 GMT -5 by peppergirl
Still wondering if he may be NeFi. He seems pretty gentle and scattered... SiTe looks more dry and like they get their shit together. Matthew Bellamy is probably an NeFi too.
Post by At-Ease Zazeef on Nov 10, 2014 16:51:34 GMT -5
I'm thinking NeFi as well at this point. Here's another interview vid:
I'm getting eye-centric out of this vid, and while he's buoyancy is fairly contained for the first few minutes of this video, his upper torso definitely gets to moving as he settles into the interview. Furthermore, he ricochets and bounces along the top of topic after topic with little to no downtime, which I take to be the expression of off the walls Pe buoyancy not as a physical manifestation as we typically look for it, but a manifestation in the abstract -- but it's still, in principle, the same damn thing. Scowls strike me more as Si this time around, and I'm not picking up on brims, drifts, zone-outs, etc. of sufficient significance to suggest Se/Ni. Yup. NeFi.