Hey guys, here is a video of Catifiric a famous youtuber who scores as an INTJ with her ISTJ friend chating about the differences of their respective types on a sunny day . I was wondering if they fully represented their types because I have doubts. Catirific seems really expressive with her face and her friend seems to me like a feeler with a strong J. Tell me what do you think about it folks. Oh yeah please participate coz i might think you're dirty bast*** if you don't.
Post by At-Ease Zazeef on Nov 13, 2014 15:43:17 GMT -5
There is already an ongoing discussion about Catirific somewhere on the boards, though I can't seem to track it down at the moment... Will search a bit more and get you hooked up to it. (Or if anyone else happens to know off the top where the thread can be found, by all means, preempt me!)
Edit: Aha! Found it! The discussion took place on the Signals - GIFS board: Pe-lead Loose/Fluid Body Swaying (GIFs) As that thread isn't a dedicated typing thread, I guess it best serves as an important reference for this one. Check it out, folks!
Oh, and will chime in with my own take before too long.
Last Edit: Nov 13, 2014 21:55:22 GMT -5 by At-Ease Zazeef
I think Se/Fi, i'm using the Catrific ❤ 50 FACTS ❤ video as reference.
Has Fi tension, Fi pained faces all throughout video, Te blunt head nods (4:56/6:40), Se/Ni eyes (pealed back, steadier than Ne/Si eyes), Te "bear" hands (5:20/6:15), Ni scowling, non-projecting voice, snippy speech. Her hands are less rigid though, I think, maybe some Fe warm pushes with the hand gestures (6:21). It's hard to ignore facial tension though, so nah.
Her smile at the beginning of the Phil and Dan Do My Make Up: AmazingCatisNotOnFire Part 2 is similar to Keira Knightley's, but she pulls head forward. Here is a picture from CT Visual Reading document. She is Te subpolar, Fi support.
In that video I just linked, she also smiles at (2:54) in which she pull her head forward, she also has wide smiles, which are indicators of Fe. However, afterwards, it almost looks as if she has the underlying emotion that is kind of overflowing (or trying not to) that Te/Fi supposedly has. In other words, no Ti neutral face. But the situation is (I guess) funny, so it'd be perfectly reasonable to act that way (trying not to laugh). Pulls head in during smile (5:50).
Conclusion: I have no idea what I'm talking about lol
(Edit: Can someone teach me how to make spoilers so I can hide the pictures, it just looks messy when they're not hidden.)
There was a topic about her but I can't find it. She was typed SeFi. Keira Kneightly is NiTe I think, they share the same functions but their overall presence are quite different.
Last Edit: Nov 14, 2014 2:42:19 GMT -5 by peppergirl
No sorry. I'm not even sure Catrific is a Gamma. I would even dare to say she's a P-lead Alpha, most likely SiFe or FeSi. She reminds me of Emma Watson.
Same thing for her friend, they look very similar.
Last Edit: Nov 14, 2014 5:39:07 GMT -5 by peppergirl
TheLogicFan has typed Keira Knightley as NiTe. SeFi may be possible, however her smile doesn't really look support Fi, it doesn't reach high into her face, it remains confined to her nose area. Beside, she has a somewhat "down-to-earth" look whereas PeFi look more affected and tend to have a strong émotional reactivity.
Catrific is probably not natural in her videos, it looks exagerated. On second viewing, her eyes are maybe Se/Ni but her J functions are not clear.
Last Edit: Nov 14, 2014 9:52:57 GMT -5 by peppergirl
I don't agree with many of his typings. Erifrail has typed both as SeFi a while ago. Her smile does look like a PeFi's and Erifrail even used her as an example to show what a support Fi smile looks like. When PeFi's smile it doesn't always rise up into their eyes, it depends on how hard they laugh. But even when it happens the eyes still tend to remain as the main focus of their face. There are different shades to each type so not all SeFi's will look or come across the same. Her smile is also more snarling than an NiTe's.
Fi support: "When they smile/snarl, the effect is less of a bulge by the nostrils and moreso a rise upward almost into the eyes. The accidental snarls of “disgust” may often rise up to just below the eyes, but their alert Pe eyes will retain their priority."
I know she was typed SeFi and I read the document thank you. In the pictures you showed, she opens wide her mouth, those look like "forced" exagerated smiles. Many celebs tend to do these "playful" laughs. I think anyone (or at least any Fi/Te users) would have those tensed muscles and those lines when opening wide their smiles while laughing. However PeFi folks tend to have the upper cheeks musckes reach very high when they smile, it makes their eyes look like well-rounded half circles, Keira's eyes are just squinty. I don't remember how to post pics but as an example, look at Vanessa Woods, and Catrific who is probably indeed SeFi (sorry for that one). Their smiles are less grimacing than sub-polar Fi.
It's a subtle cue but I think there's still misconceptions about what PiTe people are supposed to act/look. They can be "seelie" and enthusiastic too but the vibe is different.
PS : other good examples of PeFis (here SeFi) are Eléonore Costes and Sabine Perraud. You can contrast them with a PiTe (SiTe?) girl Justine Le Pottier who superficially look support Fi but she has that "down-to-earth" look of PiTes compared to the 2 other girls.
Last Edit: Nov 15, 2014 5:51:58 GMT -5 by peppergirl
Okay, I didn't know that you had read it. I don't think her laugh is forced, though. Take a look at this and this video and pause at 0:56 (first video) and 0:17 (second video). Those are clear PeFi laughs. Her eyes also look more Se than Ni and her energy seems to be constantly increasing rather than receding.
As a PiTe myself, I know that it's a big misconception that we can't come across as "enthusiastic" or that we are "cold" all the time, but when typing Keira I solely do it based on visual cues and energy. And not every type has the same vibe. There are SeFi's who have more Te and Ni so of course they will have a different vibe compared to someone who is very Se and Fi heavy. I still don't fully understand why you think she's an NiTe. Could you maybe explain further?