What do you think? He reminds me a lot of Varg Vikernes. So right now I'm at least sold on Ti/Fe and probably on Ni/Se. Struggling with the hierarchy, but he strikes me as perception lead. So I would guess SeTi or NiFe, although I might be totally off here.
"Not *how* the world is, is the mystical, but *that* it is." - Wittgenstein
Post by At-Ease Zazeef on Nov 24, 2014 15:10:25 GMT -5
I'm seeing TiSe. Rigid posture, face-centric, a fair bit of disengaging down, Ti pauses, fierce and penetrating Se/Ni scowl and eyes, Ni drifts. I'll list TeNi as an alternate, only because those scowls are borderline manic (and there's no way he's SeFi with that rigidity, nevermind everything else), but I'm fairly confident in TiSe. I mean, there isn't an abundance of gesturing/articulation here, and he Ti pauses, not Te avalanches... I guess a better look at his smile would completely totally lock it up for Ti rather than Te (Beard, you're awesome but not helping right now). Bah. Whatever. He's TiSe.
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Thanks for your reply. I was alternating between the different Beta types, as he seems to speak with his whole being, from his mouth as you describe in some other post, so that would make him a judgment lead (Ti-lead or Fe-lead, but Fe-lead being out of the question in my opinion). At the same time I thought I was seeing a fair bit of head-being-steered-by-the-eyes and Pi-viscosity.
"Not *how* the world is, is the mystical, but *that* it is." - Wittgenstein
Haha, what do you think that says about someone's type (wanting to laugh at one own's jokes)? Nexet
I go through a process I would like to call hardening and I suspect other Ti/Fe may have experienced something similar. However, the masters of it, in my experience are usually Ti-leads or those who utilize Ti in high degrees. For lack of a better explanation, hardening is when someone is consciously forcing Ti-neutralization. You know that bubbling feeling that you feel right before you burst out with a bad case of the lols? Yeah, the conscious stifling of the burst is what I call hardening and it's very difficult to do when you are a high Fe user.
Just today, as I was in class, I was conjuring all sorts of comments on the lecture I was receiving and although some were hilarious it would've been socially inappropriate for me to start laughing and proselytizing the class with my opinions, so I lol'd in silence because I couldn't completely hold it. At least I tried though.
Of course, this is just something I've come up with and is just speculation upon my knowledge of how the duality of Fe and Ti function.
I know exactly what you mean! I have done this since I was a little kid. I'm actually really good at it, which I guess correlates with my strong Ti-usage.
"Not *how* the world is, is the mystical, but *that* it is." - Wittgenstein
Post by At-Ease Zazeef on Nov 26, 2014 23:57:29 GMT -5
Nexet I've gotten a sense of this in my dealings with Ti/Fe users, though my sense includes more than suppressing only the lols (which I imagine yours would as well? Would you say that other emotions, other types of "outbursts" even, get dampened in this way? Sorry, outsider looking in. ) That said, the term I've appropriated for it isn't hardening, but rather tempering, which I should say is pleasingly resonant with your own term, and continues on to resonate on several (and additional) registers: the hardening becomes strengthening in this rendering(perhaps the adherence to one's resolution?), and there's also the heating and the subsequent dowsing in water to it as well, which I see as very much the nature of the Fe aggression/Ti neutralization duality; also, you've got the wonderful word temper evoked in it (forged, of course, in the fires of the smithies and brought out from them into it's popular usage for precisely the symbolism I've already wasted too many words to belabor ).
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which I imagine yours would as well? Would you say that other emotions, other types of "outbursts" even, get dampened in this way?
Why, yes of course it does! And I couldn't agree more that the usage of the term "tempering" is befitting of this phenomenon as well. As a matter of fact, it's perfect, but at the moment I am unable to elaborate any further. I'll give it some time to sink in fully.
Guilty guilty guilty. I find "don't respond, don't give them anything." is as legitimate an expression as any. Sometimes I'm upset so I don't want laughter to falsely communicate that I've recovered, sometimes I just feel too tired to feel so I force it down and forget about it.
I'm sorta late to the party here. I feel good about TiSe for all of the reasons At-Ease Zazeef mentioned with the only additions being Ti/Fe puppeteer hands(loose wrists, fingers moving independently of each other).
I'm still relatively sure I'm NiFe (more like NiTi), but this guy really reminds me of myself. Do you think strong-Ti NiFe's and strong-Ni TiSe's can look very similar?
"Not *how* the world is, is the mystical, but *that* it is." - Wittgenstein
Perhaps to some extent, Faeruss, as they of course have all the same functions, however the amalgamations of each type's functions does express quite differently in my experience. J vs P lead postures are quite different. NiFe's tend to carry a lot of emotion in their faces, which sometimes causes them to be mistyped as possessing Fi. In contrast, Ti-leads are pretty neutral in the face. I would also expect an NiFe to be very attentive to their interlocutor's needs whereas TiSe's are pretty tuned out in this regard. The similarities are definitely worth exploring though, especially in light of the way the function hierarchy doesn't always express in the expected manner(referencing the various function loop patterns).