Type me, pretty pleeeease :D

Hi jlee143! My first impression of you is that you're definitely a Te/Fi user, and while I'm not 100% sure about your perception functions, probably an Ne/Si user. My preliminary guess is NeFi.

Your boyfriend is definitely also a Delta type (Ne/Si + Te/Fi, in case you didn't know); I think he's TeSi.

Hi jlee143

Even with the low camera angel it’s obvious you are a Si/Ne user. I don't think you use Fi/Te though, but rather Ti/Fe. You are also not a P-lead, but is actually a pretty clear J-lead. A Ji-lead to be more exact.
So this means you are probably a TiNe. (Pinterest: TiNe)

You don’t have the most common look for a TiNe, so some people may find you harder to type because of this. But everything fits with TiNe in my opinion. You have a very typical way of speaking for a TiNe. You tend to pause your speech so as to consider the finer points of your thoughts and make sure you haven’t made any mistakes. It's something that is very typical for Ji-leads.

jlee143: So, after seeing your second video, I'll have to agree with TheLogicFan and type you TiNe. What threw me off when watching your original video was that you appeared to have Fi tension that contained your smile, and your video was a bit too washed out for me to catch a diagonal (using the zygomaticus muscle located just beneath the cheekbones) smile.

I know this thread at this point is already quite confusing for the lady that asked for a typing but i will unfortunately make it worse because I think she's a total PeFi oh god so much PeFi. Like Cher xD

Possibly NeFi for the naïve Ne eye brushings.

Heeeyyy, thanks for the responses! Yeah, morsecode's kind of right about the overall lack of consensus leading to some confusion, mostly because I'm a noob at this interpretation/reading style of cognitive function use. I'm also gonna throw it out there up front that I'm not sure what Pe actually is at this point...although, knowing me, I will go digging in this forum after I post this and find out...but feel free to throw any info/comment my way if you feel it would be helpful at this point lol. I'm totally open to everyone's opinions regarding my type but am curious about more details to explain what functions you believe you see... just want to learn and understand.

I feel like I've tried to keep my opinion to myself about my own self-perceived type for as long as possible to try not to bias anything, but it's been awhile since I posted the videos so I'm not really anticipating that I'll have many more people type me...soooo I'll go ahead and share my own thoughts/feelings in the hopes that I could get some more feedback and gain some more understanding about cognitive typing in general.

First of all, I am like 99.99999% sure that I am not a sensor of any kind (or lead with sensing anything)...I'm much too awkward/quirky/unaware of my body and other actual objects in my environment/thought vs. action oriented to be a sensor :-\ lol. I totally identify with being an introvert primarily, I enjoy people and helping them but I definitely need to recharge introvert-style after forcing myself to be particularly social. I'm definitely primarily a feeler even if I think I could come across more 'thinker' like in certain situations. Having said that, I definitely do not personally identify with Fi...I am very aware and interested in what others are feeling and thinking and have always been pretty good about having a 'feel' for that type of thing. Everything I've read about Fi vs. Fe so far just leads me to the same conclusion that I must use Fe...I don't hide my feelings from others, I prefer to confront issues even if it's not comfortable for the moment for the sake of gaining mutual understanding and peace, I don't have that whole inner moral/ethical code that is based on my own life experiences that I live and die by...I'm open to and actually really enjoy hearing other's feelings and perspectives and can change my own personal beliefs when presented with new, valid information...I don't know if any of that is relevant to cognitive typing, but if you have any feedback at all on this please feel free to share! I also identify with being a judger more than being a perceiver just because I like to know what to anticipate and plan for situations on a daily basis and when a lot of unexpected events arise it stresses me out internally, though my line of work calls for me to have to be very flexible/adaptable so I guess I've learned to deal with that better over the years.

I guess that's all I'll say for now, still trying not to get too in depth but would love to hear back from anyone's thoughts/comments on my type. Sorry for the kind of ramblesome quality of this by the way, it's been a long week lol

Alrighty, I figure I can answer those question, but I'd like to throw my coins in the TiNe pot first. Your body language is very coordinated, I'm not sure where people are getting that you lead with your eyes. Your face tends to stay facing the direction it wants while your eyes explore other angles, but the face gets the final say on where you look. A Ji-lead is going to use that J-coordination to handle themselves in a precise, contained way, and the bursts of gawk that bust through are going to be of alert/loose Pe energy (in contrast to Je-leads, which are coordinated in a more outward, communicative way with some slow-down points where the more viscous Pi takes over). As for Fe vs Fi, your mouth is somewhat small, so you don't get those enormous Fe smiles that many have- and you're Ti>Fe anyway, so there's less energy pushing the smile out. It could look Fi because Fi-tension sometimes causes the user to hold their mouth in an artificially small way, but I don't believe that's the case here. I don't feel I need to defend Ne, we're all on that page.

Fortunately, I know a good deal about TiNe so I'm confident I can answer your questions on it.

First, some terminology:

P = perceiving, aka S and N
J = judging, aka T and F

Pe = Se and Ne
Je = Te and Fe
Ji = Ti and Fi
Pi = Si and Ni

Square? Okay, first, CT is not MBTI. The functions have the same names, but it's a different system. I would say entirely, but there is some overlap. That said, S and N here has nothing to do with being abstract or coordinated or intellectual or mechanically-minded. Unlike MBTI, CT theory states that we use all four functions in very tight pairs. Some individuals may prefer one side of a pair to the other, sometimes to the extreme, but that's not a function of the type. The exception, not the rule. That is to say, there's no such thing as a "sensor" or an "intuitive" because everyone is both. My girlfriend is an NeFi who is both very absentminded and detail oriented in different aspects of life. It'd be more accurate to call her a Pe-lead with Delta functions (NeSi and FiTe), since the distinctions between the different hierarchies within the same quadra (four types that share the same function pairs) are somewhat slim, but NeFi is easier to say.

All that said, NeSi users are more likely to feel "intuitive" in the sense you bring up (gawkiness, experiencing the world in an abstracted and ungraceful way) than SeNi users, in my experience, though I've met very savvy Ne types and absentminded Se types. Although I have noticed that when Se>Ni types latch onto being "intuitive", they usually use the phrase "in my head", which doesn't particularly sound like N>S to me. It's usually because descriptions of "Sensors" in MBTI tend to lean "they're stupid, but it's okay because they're meant to be that way", so anyone with good intelligence or lateral problem-solving skills tends to identify themselves with the opposite direction.


Now, when it comes to Ti vs Fe, you gotta keep in mind what I said earlier about being both. Especially with one's dominant function, the other side of the same coin can't (and shouldn't, and won't in most cases) be escaped. Ti is absolutely useless without Fe and vice versa, because they're two different phases of the same cognitive process. One of the things that struck me as interesting about CT over MBTI is that Ti has a very strong social element to it, because it's creating things with Fe in mind. Unlike MBTI, where a Ti-lead runs on such low Fe that they dislike people and have trouble understanding them, here many Ti-leads turn that processing power toward people, even developing a (dare I say it) INFJ-like understanding of them. The fact that it's T only really affects the fact that the shop it runs doesn't carry a powerful personal element with it across ideas like Fi always ends up doing. All Ji is about is consistency and precision, and none of what Ti does is opposed to Fe. It's not only possible but common to have a Ti>Fe user that identifies more with social issues and their emotions, because Ti is just as much in that zone as Fe is. Fe is just the external communication of it.


As for J vs P, and I vs E, that's a pretty simple explanation. "Introversion" here doesn't mean what it means on the internet at large, which is really referring to withdrawn behavioral personality traits. Introversion in CT refers to the subjectivity of a function, not the social behavior of the person. Honestly, the idea that "in my head" means introversion is a little strange to me, because where to people think Te/Fe/Ne/Se take place? It's all in your head. Extraverted functions just check their processing against something other than the person (friends, food, a book) where introverted ones remain isolated and subjective (interpretation and "thinking" as we normally call it occurs here). That's why you can have an Ne-lead that is also a recluse that loves books- books are external to the mind, and the person is exploring that objective, real life occurrence even in private. I would say that J leads tend to lean more toward their corresponding behavioral traits, though. It's more common to see extraverted Pi-leads and introverted Pe-leads than the same thing on the judging side.

And speaking of J, as in Socionics, CT categorizes IxxP types as Judgers and IxxJ types as Perceivers because MBTI goes by the first E function, where we go by which function you lead with. An NiFe isn't really J at all, they're a lot more open-minded and loose. They remind me a lot of a miniature SeTi, and like all Pi-leads they have this really loose and dangly presence from the constant influx of info and comparatively little Ji-refinement. They're generally a lot more open to new things and spontaneity than a J-lead, so long as it feeds into what they consider fun and important. A TiNe, on the other hand, is much more likely to get flustered by unpredictable junk coming in and jacking up their day because they lead with Judging (Ti).

Ji tends to want to have things in the order it's most comfortable with, even if it doesn't necessarily mean things are in labelled boxes. If I'm told that we're going to run errands for a couple hours, I immediately decide what I want to do afterwards- then, when things take forever and we don't get back til late, I get all pissy because my time was wasted. "I wouldn't have agreed to this if I had known" I will think to myself. It's about being in a position to prepare for things and allocate time as I see fit- up to, including, and especially free time. I need my day to have both a daily recommended allowance of both productivity and relaxing sluggy nerd time, and I'll be very upset (in different ways) if I don't have both. Perceivers don't really do that, it's much easier for them to say "that's just how life goes, and getting fussy will just ruin the good parts". So despite being an INTP, I'm a Judger through and through.


Wow, I made a lot of words. I hope at least some of them are helpful. 

More collected Pe-leads can be really hard to type. Her case reminds me of that girl (I must seach for her nickname and post it here later) where there was a big discussion over her type concerning if she was Pe-lead or Ti-lead and it took me a long time to understand why some people were typing her as NeFi and to finally agree on that. The lady being typed on this thread doesn't exhibit TiNe signals. She simply doesn't freeze and disengage down like a Ji-lead would, she doesn't present Ti momentum haltings, absolutely no pupetter hands (TiNes have them), her smiles are of a personal nature, her zigomatic muscles move in an Fi direction. Her responses/replies to the guy are of a much more personal nature and much faster ("impulsive") than I could ever expect from a TiNe. She doesn't formulate sentences through the extreme selective process of someone who leads with Ti. I see bursts of response, even when kinda contained and self-conscious, hindered by some self-doubt (and the hindering is not accompanied by Ji-lead signals but by her eyes toggling and looking to the sides while the lips press against each other -never saw a TiNe do that). Ti is a cold place of brilliant detachment and a leading function is compulsively operative in an individual. Her eyes toggle and brush things compulsively like the eyes of any Pe-lead, with a deep absence of the Ji-lead freezing. A Ji-lead is not inert in movement when in Ji process, a Ji-lead is much more static: the body literally freezes, with no hint of toggling or searching with the eyes when Ji is operative, otherwise Ji is not operative, but another function. The Ji freezing is accompanied by disengaging down and when Ti is there the response tends to be slower than when Fi is there, and that's what makes Ti brilliant: it searches for the most perfect refined specific word, no matter what, with absolutely no rush, it's the nature of Ti... precision no matter what and it's always visible. It is never careless or spontaneous or random or seelie or unseelie, or it's not Ti in action but any other function at play. Ti doesn't openly and quickly HATE or LOVE talking about something or defining someone some way (Ti is not openly self-conscious and 'seelie' about self-defining a person as funny or any other adjective. If a Ti-lead finds that inappropriate for the occasion, Ti will be in momentum halting then and we will have to wait for a more suitable definition while they freeze and disengage the eyes down (not up) while we patiently wait for their careful word choice, that will be slower but the outcome is almost as badass as that of Te (just in a different way). Respect. Ti is unmistakable when leading.

She just can't be NeTi, not only because Ti signals are not present in my understanding. NeTis are charicatures of themselves (it's peculiar). Their eyebrows move in urgent desperation. True NeTi psyques are blue and red lovely wild pogo balls.



If there's any chance she's an alpha, the only possibility would be FeSi.