Book Elaborations: FiNe Aspie/Scientist
Sept 18, 2016 23:42:26 GMT -5 by Auburn
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Post by Auburn on Sept 18, 2016 23:42:26 GMT -5
Before diving into the subtype, it's worth clarifying that "aspie" is a shade not at all indicative of an actual presence/absence of any medical condition. It is instead an observed effect and style of expression which is very uncoordinated and which has strong overlaps with the common definitions of aspie/autistic behavior.
As stated elsewhere, it's my suspicion that strong Fi users may be incorrectly diagnosed more often as aspie/autistic, in the same way Pe-leads may be incorrectly diagnosed as ADHD --- and I'm eager to see more research to go into why this parallel shows up. But with that, here goes.
Our most recent sample, Salman, presents a great introduction into this shade of FiNe.
But before getting into an analysis of him, I'd like to present an old acquaintance of mine who goes by Ermine (FernandoTheWeasel), who I suspect is FiNe (slight chance of introverted NeFi):
In this video especially, we see a lot of the same tripping-over-words that we see in Salman above.
Ermine makes a lot of "mph" sounds (0:24, 0:30, 0:32, 0:34, 0:36) as her Te articulation trips over itself, trying to go too fast, while Fi+Ne don't yet have the language formed. This happens a lot less in high Te types.
It's a comparable phenomenon to high Ti users struggling to preemptively perfect speech and ending up pausing/stuttreing a lot (re: Elon Musk, Lawrence Krauss). Having Je as a lower (polar) process causes this stronger struggle with articulation.
The FiNe Scientist isn't necessarily an aspie shade (re: Edward Witten, who is a seelie shade Scientist) but the tendency is present in all FiNe. These are the types that are most commonly mistyped as INTPs in other models, and indeed functionally speaking they often have an ego-prioritization of logic over ethics. Speaking in terms of views/personality, the FiNe scientist is near indistinguishable from certain shades of TiNe, but the origin and processing has a distinct and different deductive signature.
As stated elsewhere, it's my suspicion that strong Fi users may be incorrectly diagnosed more often as aspie/autistic, in the same way Pe-leads may be incorrectly diagnosed as ADHD --- and I'm eager to see more research to go into why this parallel shows up. But with that, here goes.
These symptoms [DSM-5 on autism spectrum] overlap heavily with Fi, as Fi has no built in structure for understanding social dynamics. Without a proper harmonization with Te – its method of understanding the dynamics of “the world” (and by extension people) – Fi is left unaware of how to interface with the social landscape. Add to that Fi’s innately off-beat disposition – as expressed through the above signals of asynchronous mouth movements, unmatching relation between inner feeling and outward expression, and unordinary giggling – and what results is an individual who is quite socially peculiar.
Cognitive Type, ch5
Cognitive Type, ch5
As a polar process and companion of Fi, Te can play a critical role in the FiNe’s concept of reality. It is the primary way in which this type comes to form a dynamic understanding of how their world operates, and it can provide solidity when their Fi and Ne processes cannot. However, the FiNe type will prefer to pursue these empirical investigations from the comfort of a conceptual setting, naturally leading to the scientist subtype.
Cognitive Type, ch13.2
Cognitive Type, ch13.2
Our most recent sample, Salman, presents a great introduction into this shade of FiNe.
But before getting into an analysis of him, I'd like to present an old acquaintance of mine who goes by Ermine (FernandoTheWeasel), who I suspect is FiNe (slight chance of introverted NeFi):
In this video especially, we see a lot of the same tripping-over-words that we see in Salman above.
This may cause them [NeFi in particular, but applies to this quadrant] to stutter and trip over their speech when they try to avalanche forward before having the words properly synthesized. In contrast, the NeTi more commonly struggles with hesitation before articulation due to its preemptive Fe-Ti filtration.
Ermine makes a lot of "mph" sounds (0:24, 0:30, 0:32, 0:34, 0:36) as her Te articulation trips over itself, trying to go too fast, while Fi+Ne don't yet have the language formed. This happens a lot less in high Te types.
It's a comparable phenomenon to high Ti users struggling to preemptively perfect speech and ending up pausing/stuttreing a lot (re: Elon Musk, Lawrence Krauss). Having Je as a lower (polar) process causes this stronger struggle with articulation.
The FiNe Scientist isn't necessarily an aspie shade (re: Edward Witten, who is a seelie shade Scientist) but the tendency is present in all FiNe. These are the types that are most commonly mistyped as INTPs in other models, and indeed functionally speaking they often have an ego-prioritization of logic over ethics. Speaking in terms of views/personality, the FiNe scientist is near indistinguishable from certain shades of TiNe, but the origin and processing has a distinct and different deductive signature.
