Hi peppergirl! To me, he seems an Fe/Ti user. Warm interpersonal headnods, smile rises towards the ears, warm articulation, no sign of Fi snarling. I have to watch more videos of him.. but just from this video, I'd tentatively say NeTi (or TiNe - less likely at this first glance cause he seems to present Pe-lead momentum).
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Post by peppergirl on May 24, 2013 18:25:33 GMT -5
Hello Morsecode & Starlit7!
Again I'm confused lol. I don't see him neutrelize his face like he's constantly smiling and his speech is fast and non-interrupted like Ti-users seem to do... I see he has a Fe-smile but his eyes seem to radiate an inner glow or something. I still have a problem differentiating high-Fi vs high-Ti, especially when their opposite functions are well-developped. My image of Ti-users tends to stick to the stereotype of the awkard/cold demeanor.
Post by peppergirl on May 24, 2013 18:49:01 GMT -5
Ok, not that I want to flood but... ^^
Here are videos of "INTP" (or so they claim) youtubers:
Personnally I think he has Ni eyes, they look sleepy and don't toggle a lot, he also has a Fe smile ? That would make him either a NiFe, or FeNi...
He as Ne eyes for me, not sure if he is Pe-lead or Ji-lead (on other videos he moves his head so much it blurs ^^), but I tend to think he's Fi, he has a dismissive tone though he's hesitant in his speech but he has a sullen look (Fi). That would make him FiNe or NeFi ? weird but why not.
U.u Ok. Well, about Gotye, I watched some more interviews of him and I type him as Pe-lead, NeTi (Fe heavy - very warm), even though he is not an extreme case of Ne-lead bubbling (at least in interviews)... But, still, the momentum is there. he does lots of Ne Perk-ups, very animated eyes and he is steered by the eyes. It seems to me (Erifrail, correct me if I am wrong) that in general NeTis don't do the same amount of Ti neutralizations Ti-leads do (unless they are NeTi-Ti heavy). Yes, He does show that permanent Fe warming interpersonal smile almost all the time, even when he disengages down and his energy recedes... but it is different from Fi manifestation of warmth, which is a constant flow of private/personal feeling that flows internally accompanied by Fi sullen cheeks and giddyness. Gotye doesn't have Fi radiating glow - which is an u n c o n t r o l l e d inner feeling that radiates outwardly in an a c c i d e n t a l way.
It can be confusing if one sticks to only one of two cues. We can take Alanis Morrissette as an example, a TiNe (Fe hardcore) who emits Fe interpersonal smiles almost all the time in interviews (like Gotye) and her momentum halting isn't long. It is not how smiley a person is that tells us the functions they have. nevertheless, the type of smile they have do tells a lot about it,
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I don't have too much time atm to elaborate, which sucks but a few quick things! In gotye, his smile does go to the sides sometimes. But all other signals are absent. His articulation is jittery/snippy, the way he jerks his body without swelling. These faces are practically impossible to see on an Fe/Ti user:
Source: watch?v=nkBSmSCFtxE timestamps: 0:30-0:40 They're akin to Richard Feynman's giddy Fi smiles, or SeFi Daniel Radcliffe. Fi users can flex their muscles like Fe users if they learn to fake smiles. However, an Fe user can never imitate an Fi user's accidental smiles/snarls. So in the case of someone like Gotye who does sometimes smile to the sides but displays these faces, they're Fi users. And the reason for this is because Fe users actually have "deliberate" smile control a great deal of the time, and the muscles used to smile to the side can be consciously controlled. Fe smiles are often staged. But because of this, Fi users can potentially stage them too if they practice.
Inversely, what Fi/Te users cannot fake is Ti neutralization. Fe/Ti users can imitate what appear like snippy Te gesticulation sometimes, but that's because those are likewise "deliberate" movements. The accidental cues are the most reliable rather than the cues of presentation (Fe/Te) which can overlap. But this is a really tricky case which I can't easily defend, without being suspect of justifying things erroneously... c.c
Now I am lost. I wish all exemplars were obvious. it is really tricky. I've just edited a video recorded in February (when I had no idea of this vr language). Does it seem like an Fi personal warmth demonstration (it was a brief giggle at a mistake. I was alone. And the original video is quite long.) in which my lips kinda rise towards the ears (? not really. I am not using the muscles under my mouth much but the ones above it) but my cheeks are tensioned. is this Fi radiating glow? Accidental smile? Does it demonstrate Fi?
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This a longer video just to set the emotional setting which was serious for the most part when what laugh happened. The other few (one or two) smiles are jubilation-rejoicing smiles. I will delete this video in less than 48 hours (I hate videos of myself). That was a private moment. I could not forget the camera was there but it is really the real me, so the F atmosphere is really that.
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What I wanted to say with Gotyie is that he seems to smile constantly for no apparent reasons, like he's feeling euphorious, no matter the environnement, it is a personal smile probably mixed with interpersonal smiles too (I know it's confusing...).
Basically Fi expressions rarely make sense. If you don't understand why the person smiles constantly or always look sad, it's probably a Fi-user (from my understanding at least). Fe-users will react more according to external cues and will check the audience's reactions, it's like they don't carry their inner "emotions" permanently with themselves.
Morsecode: In the video you look Fi to me, you have that "cuddly" feeling to you ^^ I don't know how to say it. Although high Fe can look sweet too but it generally looks more "mature" or controlled (not that you're immature lool). As for your smile, it's seen from under, so that why it looks like it goes toward the ears. If we watched from above, it would be the reverse. Optical illusions...