I'm trying to learn the signals for the the types, but going through youtube now got me wondering if most infj's on youtube are typed correctly or not, because most of them don't have the Ni eyes in the way you guys are describing them? Or they have some assymetrical lip movements.. Here are some of the more famous ones..
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she does the eye thing but her lips are moving in an Fi way, no?:
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her too, assymatrical lip movement?
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Not even one NiFe? Oh boy. How is that possible that so many intelligent self-aware people would type themselves so wrong? Esepcially sensors who are certain they are intuitives, seems odd.
Not even one NiFe? Oh boy. How is that possible that so many intelligent self-aware people would type themselves so wrong? Esepcially sensors who are certain they are intuitives, seems odd.
I haven't watched any of these videos yet, but that wouldn't be odd at all. Based on what commakaze said, most of them appear to be SeTi, and Se-leads with conscious or well-integrated Ni are more introspective and very good at predicting or interpreting reality, so they are prone to scoring as intuitives on MBTI tests.
1. FeSi - Seems Je-lead to me. She speaks quickly kind of like a Pe-lead, but mentions she has anxiety so this may be the reason for her continuous speech. I see quite a few intentional Fe smiles that spread horizontally over her face, and she has a rigid posture and extroverted presence. Not really any Ti signals, mostly just Je.
2. FiNe - Clear Fi/Te tension around mouth, as well as monotone articulation that never completely cools down. She pauses quite a bit (Ji), has rigid posture and recessive energy. Although she has quite a bit of eye makeup on, which can make the eyes look sharp, I believe she has Ne. Her eyes toggle gently around the environment, and her scowls look quite Si. What she describes about idealizing people sounds very Ji as well, particularly Fi.
3. SeFi - I agree with this typing. He's a good example of a male SeFi, there's often a sensitive - sometimes verging on 'aspie' - demeanor about them.
4. SeTi - I agree with this one too! She's quite eye-centric, but has the grounded energy of Se and doesn't toggle her eyes in the way indicative of Ne. She lacks tension around her mouth and has swelling articulation, which is a bit hard to tell being that it's sped up by the presence of Pe energy.
5. TiNe-Ne - By my best estimate, she's TiNe with a lot of Ne energy. Her articulation goes along a bit more quickly than would be expected in her type, but she mentions that she intentionally pretends to be extroverted. This is actually something I used to do, and appeared as though I might be NeTi for a while.
6. FiNe-Te - She pauses and disengages down quite a lot. Her expressions come out of a natively rigid posture, and sink back into her fairly quickly (recessive energy). Her eyes toggle quite a bit in the manner indicative of Ne; lightly brushing over the environment. She has a logical way of expressing herself, which happens with FiNe when their Te has been practiced and integrated.
7. NiFe - Finally a real INFJ! I can see what you're saying about the asymmetrical expressions, but it seems to me she may just be nervous/uptight while speaking. If you look at the way her smiles pull, they're horizontal and intentional. I suppose she could be NiTe as well, but I think that's less likely.
8. NeFi - I agree with this one as well. She's got spritely energy! Reminds me a little of Ariel the Little Mermaid (who's also NeFi, according to Erifrail's typing). Definitely Ne-lead, she has loose posture, Pe energy, and is eye-centric. Her speech is kinda sassy, with quick shoulder shrugs and Fi's emotional 'pinched' voice. Lots of asymmetrical expressions.
Onto the next set
I think the first guy is NiTe actually. He's got that monotone, non-chalant articulation and unfettered demeanor.
The second guy might be NiFe. It's hard to tell, he's chewing through part of the video, and is looking away from the camera.
The third girl seems to have something going on with anxiety or perhaps another mental illness. Taking this into consideration, I think SeTi makes sense for her. Not entirely sure, but I think at least Pe-lead.
The last guy does seem to be Ni-lead. I'm thinking he's likely NiTe though, he has droning, monotone speech that doesn't emotionally swell or cool.
Not even one NiFe? Oh boy. How is that possible that so many intelligent self-aware people would type themselves so wrong? Esepcially sensors who are certain they are intuitives, seems odd.
Well there seems to be at least one (or two)! I think that intelligence has little to do with how a person will end up typing with MBTI or any other system that uses self-assay of complex behaviors. Functions are only part of the equation of personality, nurture and specific life-path have a lot to do with what types of interests or behaviors a person adapts. And it's really these things which people tend to readily relate to - we will often know what sort of things we like, but less often understand the particular nature of our thought processes. The former is what self-assay typology tests gauge, which has little to nothing to do with the functions themselves.
I think.. the whole dichotomy of Intuition vs Sensing is largely poppycock. MBTI makes 'sensors' out to be these basic, linear, unimaginative folk who don't compare to the intelligent 'intuitives'. I don't think this could be farther from the truth. Some of the most intuitive people I've met are actually Si and Se leads, others are Ne or Ni leads, but I think it's more about their P functions being high up than it is about which functions they have. As was mentioned, an Se-lead with well-integrated Ni will have conscious utilization of both functions, and be both observant and capable of predicting causalities.
Not even one NiFe? Oh boy. How is that possible that so many intelligent self-aware people would type themselves so wrong? Esepcially sensors who are certain they are intuitives, seems odd.
Ooooh dear, the INFJ quandary. o.o
The INFJ type has become a type of cultural vehicle for anybody who is individuating and feels somehow uniquely special. Which is pretty much like half of all teenagers. And a fair deal of adults as well. The way it is portrayed in the global community is not at all a description of a single information metabolism structure. It is exceedingly prone to the Forer effect. I could make a whole thread on this topic alone.
edit: thread in the making
I think.. the whole dichotomy of Intuition vs Sensing is largely poppycock. MBTI makes 'sensors' out to be these basic, linear, unimaginative folk who don't compare to the intelligent 'intuitives'. I don't think this could be farther from the truth. Some of the most intuitive people I've met are actually Si and Se leads, others are Ne or Ni leads, but I think it's more about their P functions being high up than it is about which functions they have. As was mentioned, an Se-lead with well-integrated Ni will have conscious utilization of both functions, and be both observant and capable of predicting causalities.
Just to add to that. The only measure of brilliance that CT has so far identified is in full function integration. That's to say, the most intelligent individuals visually show a balance between the polarities, which can be demonstrated.
Inversely, strong leaning towards the top 1 or 2 functions results, more commonly, in more simplistic perspectives. This is because refinement of cognition happens with the friction and challenge that comes with altering your perspective. When people have not adequately challenged their starting assumptions about life, their primary function remains unchallenged but also quite straightforward in its view of the world.
People who have tried to integrate their polar function are the ones who develop the most intelligible perspectives because they've had to refine the viewpoints of their primary against the endless antagonism of their polar until only what is both satisfying and true to the primary/polar duality has remained steadfast.
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People who have tried to integrate their polar function are the ones who develop the most intelligible perspectives because they've had to refine the viewpoints of their primary against the endless antagonism of their polar until only what is both satisfying and true to the primary/polar duality has remained steadfast.
I actually have an unlisted video about this. I think its created through a synthesis - which is not a middle-ground but rather a third worldview created by the clash - of the primary and inferior. Kind of like marxism and historical dialects actually. Ancient Greeks believed in sexual permisiveness and indulgence and the early Christian era (in a dialectic movement negating the thesis) believed in repressing the sexual instincts in order to turn spiritual. A synthesis would NOT be a compromising worldview that says people should be somewhere in the middle, but rather developing a persepective that completely transcends both models of worldview and creates an ALTERNATIVE proposition - a third option reconciling their common truths to form a new paradigm -- sexuality as a DOORWAY to spirituality.
Oooh I have lots to say about the INFJ craze thing.
that's a better way to put it, yes. the result isn't a middle ground as much as a polished perspective that can honor both elements without contradiction, or mutual negation. which is really difficult since both polarities are (on the surface) out to destroy one another.
Oooh I have lots to say about the INFJ craze thing.
looking forward to it!
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Alerith I have trying to type this guy from the Living enneagram and I thought he must be SiFe or FeSi but then I remembered you typing this lady at number 7 as NiFe - and she has similar scrowls to him. Also I noticed both of them keep their eyes on the camera almost always with no toggling. So, can he be NiFe? How can I tell them apart?
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This guy similar case only he seems to be using Fi which makes it more confusing for me... how do would you type this guy?
I think I'm seeing Fi and nasal voice is Te (?) so that would be Fi/Te other than that I'm confused about the Ne/Si or Ni/Se although and he seems extroverted in the way he talks and talks with no pauses almost but in other videos his energy is kinda quiet. So.. TeNi?TeSi? SiTe? SeFi? (my guess in this order..better be one of 'em lol)
1. Tricky case for me. The way his eyes toggle seems Ni to me. He's really underexpressing Je, whatever he has. Fi, maybe? I feel like he might be NiFi.
2. I think you're right, Ni>Se and Fe>Ti. He might be FeNi-Ni or NiFe-Fe, I'm not good enough yet to say which.
3. Eeegooo... *cough* I'm almost certain he's an Fe user and a Pi-lead. SiFe or NiFe.