I see a similar thing happening with Fi+Ni as what we've witnessed happen with Ti+Si. In the case of Ti+Si the Si's historical inkling contextualizes reality toward the entire earth, and affiliates with it in a (disembodied) non-human-specific but ultimately re-grounded way. It's also very much the effect of double introversion.
With Fi+Ni, we see this encompassing Ni interweaving themes with life-sacred ideals (Fi) so as to generate a form of animism, though I'm not sure that's the best word. In other Fi+Ni people I've talked to it manifests more like panpsychism or some variation thereof.. though others of INF temperament can have these views too.
Whereas the typical FiSe is more type 4ish (Prince/Jackson/Bjork) and 'personal' rather than universal in their concentration of ethical attention, preferring a type of self-perfection and beautification, per se. I wonder what you guys see.
sorry to derail further, but Auburn do you see Goodall as edavin like the rest mentioned? She moves (or doesn't move ) like a Ji-lead, but her Ni seems so dominant over Se...and do you have any thoughts on how prioritized Fi+Ni plays out differently when Ni leads?
Last Edit: Jun 28, 2017 12:25:06 GMT -5 by sitbone
sitbone - that's ok, i'd like to pursue this further too so I'll do a thread split.
I'll outline what little I've gathered so far about the Ni+Fi duality, insofar as my incomplete exposure can manage.
Ni+Fi Adi Da Samraj
This is an Ni mystic, who I'm fairly confident is Ni-lead. But perhaps I'll start with a video that shows his Fi giddy giggling, Fi radiation and seelieness:
^ Starting at 1:26+ we see a very classic, unbridled Fi expression as well as Fi breaking-through-cheeks.
He's a rabbit hole to go down for sure. I've watched quite a few videos of him and he's exceedingly Ni heavy not only in vultology but his conception of life and the world. His flavor of Ni guru-ness is something I had only before attributed to NiFe's but it makes sense that NiTe-Fi gurus would also exist.
For the most part he's very weak in Je, and this is intentional as he mentions very much weakening his Ego and in the same way as Ni-lead Ekhart Tolle, describes letting go of what is essentially judgment; the impetus of the left brain to delineate/define/control/segregate/differentiate-self-from-rest. As such, we don't see much Te... nor would we expect to see it. And the few gesticulations he performs seem borderline Fe or Te.
Having said that, ^ here's a video where I feel the qualia of Te comes out. There's a kind of stiffness to the wrists, lack of stop/start, a more yang/grabby texture to the fingers rather than the liquid wrists and spidery fingers of Ti... but this is less important for the purposes of this analysis.
Ni-lead Ekhart Tolle
I'd like to insert him into this thread as well, as he represents another Ni-lead with confusing elements of judgment (also very deliberately underplayed judgment). Perhaps to work as a contrast point as this thread evolves.
Next I have a personal sample. Lynette is someone who is a life-long listener and psychoanalyst of people. Very INF in temperament and into her fair share of esoteric topics such as EFT (emotional freedom technique) tapping... which uses alleged pressure points on the body to release unfreed or trapped emotions. I see this very much as an Se channeling. She's also a very skilled artist with lots of hyper-realistic (Se) portraits on her house of work she's done. She has many moral opinions but she's never been one to fixate on them; very much a flow based person as heavy Pi users are. I video recorded her last year in the hopes of making a volunteer video of the NiFe but her footage proved too ambiguous for me at the time.. but not so ambiguous to me now. Still, perhaps we can figure out what is happening here with her in relation to the others.
And maybe to get a proper baseline... the FiSe raw footage video:
^ Watching this again, what struck me is that for the FiSe that are low in Je, there is a great deal of forward-facing fixation of gaze. Michael Jackson and Kate Bush, for example, seem hypnotically tranced forward. Not as Ji as we'd expect. It may be important to note then that Ti-leads are fundamentally different from Fi-leads in this manner. Given Ti-leads have the stop/start nature combined with the "glitching" that comes with Ti's meticulous halts, the jittery energy of Ji comes out cleanest.
In contrast, it seems Fi-leads sometimes just flow in an ephemeral way with their words. But their high-Fi qualities remain, and despite the forward gaze they appear disarmed, affected, poised and airy/light in a way that the more weighty Ni-lead composure doesn't feel.
Fi+Ni Jane Goodall
In light of this I'm inclined to see Jane Goodall as FiNi, not NiFi. She actually seems to have a fair bit of Ji rigidity and the rattling of posture that happens with J-leads as they keep their spine firm when gesticulating.
Fi+Ni Princess Diana Frances
Fi+Ni Ingrid Newkirk
Fi+Ni Elvis Presley
I don't have time to analyze these atm (been quite busy lately) but maybe someone would like to take a crack at it? What are the parallels/differences in these samples? o,o Also, feel free to add others if you know of any other Ni+Fi's.
I wonder if film director/actor/writer Shane Carruth is Fi+Ni. He strikes me as a clear Edavin (to the limited extent I know vultology so far) and his vultology seems somewhat similar to the other samples.
I had also wondered about Russian musician Natalia "Hellawes" O'Shea: she has extremely heavy Ji signals, but her eyes seem sort of Ni hypnotic. Yet I also see quite a bit of bubbling momentum here and there, and comparing it to the Edavin video above, I feel like it's hard for me to say that I see a particularly large amount of Ni compared to the others. (Actually, she shows such heavy momentum halting in places I wouldn't be that surprised if she's TiSe, although her cheeks look very Fi to me. And while she looks pretty clearly Se-Ni in this video, her orientation toward things like the details of language & mythology might have otherwise made me guess that she had Si).
What I feel like both Carruth and O'Shea have in common is the theme of escaping to sort of a mythical, bucolic reality. With Carruth, his film Upstream Color could be seen as a journey into a dreamlike Fi-Ni existence by two characters whose lives have been altered by a parasitic infection and who can no longer function within the Te urban/capitalist system. With O'Shea, originally a scholar of European languages, her music tells fantastic stories that draw heavily from European mythologies, as well as from folklore-oriented poets like W.B. Yeats (Si+Fi? Si+Ti?) and L. Gumilev.
Then again, some of Bjork's music also has these themes, so maybe this is just a trait sometimes found in the "Indie Artist" subtype?