I did some MBTI online tests last year which after some rabbit hole-googling eventually brought me here. I typed as an ENFP and really resonated with the descriptions, however felt mismatched with the writing style of ENFP forumers with all their !!!!!!! and s. Not that I identified with the tone of, let's say, the superior ENTPs or the cynical, depressive streak of the INTPs' discussions either. Actually, this is the first personality type forum I have ever felt compelled to write in (even though the level of English and eloquence is a bit daunting), first of all because I like the theory but most importantly because there seems to be such an inclusive, curious atmosphere with a great mix of theory building, deeply personal sharing and random silliness.
I have probably browsed through all and what not texts and videos on the site and forum, checking updates in the "New posts" regularly and trying to type everyone close to me (mostly in my head). However I still go mostly on qualia signals that are hard defined, the vibe people emit. For instance, immediately when I saw the SiTi/TiSi type I knew my late grand father just must have been SiFe-Ti.
Anyway, Ill post some new videos my friend and and I have made soon and hope that after a correct assessment of my own type I'll get better at differentiating the vultology signals of others too.
We're looking at ur videos right now, and will have an analysis shortly. And Oh! SiFe-Ti can be such storytellers, I bet you must have listened to a lesson or two... or twenty..
Ok, after reviewing it with others readers in Discord, we are seeing a pretty clear combination of Ne+Fe, and you appear to be NeTi-Fe. I noticed you opted to share your video with the CT community (thanks!) so I hope it's ok if I post some gifs to explain the analysis here?
^ In the first 5 seconds of the video you display a very warm Fe smile, which then transitions into an Ne parody. There is that silly/goofy element to it, with Ne eyes gently brushing across the environment. Your eyes carry the gentle embedding around them, even though your anatomy would want to suggest Se on the surface.
^ Next here we have Ne eye-toggling/questioning, but a little bit of an Fe head push at the beginning. You also appear to have Fe "apple cheeks" which indicates (among other things) prominent/habitual use of Fe.
Here we see more Ne playfulness, with the eyes toggling + parody and also Pe Loose Body Swaying
^ And in this one you show your use of Ti hands, which is glitchy/mechanical to some degree, but still fluid due to being under the umbrella of P-lead energy.
The NeTi-Fe type has an ENF temperament, which seems to align with your self-evaluation. You're a shade of NeTi that is very ethically aware and emotionally open, rather than dispassionate. People of this shade are NeTi Eliza Dushku and NeTi Anne Hathaway. It's a "poised" shade of NeTi females that is rather unique in that it's not entirely off-the-walls the way some Ne-leads can be. There's a level of reservation to the body, although they remain ultimately very fluid, curious/receptive, open-ended and silly.
A lesser possibility would be FeSi-Ne (many felt you may be Fe-lead) or TiNe-Ne, but these seems to be somewhat less likely. Nonetheless, you certainly have Ne+Fe in your psyche.
Function development seems to suggest: conscious Fe, conscious Ne, conscious Ti, subconscious Si
I hope this was a helpful analysis! Let me know if u have any questions
We're looking at ur videos right now, and will have an analysis shortly. And Oh! SiFe-Ti can be such storytellers, I bet you must have listened to a lesson or two... or twenty..
I did!
He was a teacher, etymology expert (writing about the origin/meaning of words) and generally a walking encyclopedia of history. If he was unsure of a detail he would go and fetch one and read out loud, seemingly oblivious to the sighs of relatives at family reunion dinners and the like. But to me he was the best company ever, endlessly patient and supportive. We could talk about any topic, fed by my Ne-whys and his Si-Ti explanations and speculations, that or spending hours chilling out without the need to talk (in contrast to my probably Je-lead chatty mom and grandmother).
Ok, after reviewing it with others readers in Discord, we are seeing a pretty clear combination of Ne+Fe, and you appear to be NeTi-Fe. I noticed you opted to share your video with the CT community (thanks!) so I hope it's ok if I post some gifs to explain the analysis here?
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The NeTi-Fe type has an ENF temperament, which seems to align with your self-evaluation. You're a shade of NeTi that is very ethically aware and emotionally open, rather than dispassionate. People of this shade are NeTi Eliza Dushku and NeTi Anne Hathaway. It's a "poised" shade of NeTi females that is rather unique in that it's not entirely off-the-walls the way some Ne-leads can be. There's a level of reservation to the body, although they remain ultimately very fluid, curious/receptive, open-ended and silly.
A lesser possibility would be FeSi-Ne (many felt you may be Fe-lead) or TiNe-Ne, but these seems to be somewhat less likely. Nonetheless, you certainly have Ne+Fe in your psyche.
Function development seems to suggest: conscious Fe, conscious Ne, conscious Ti, subconscious Si
Thank you! Happy to hear you concluded on Alpha. In my last video I appeared TiSe, but psychologically it's really hard to fit my experience with the Se-Ni descriptions. I also resonate much more with the communication style, thought process and "vibe" I've seen in Alpha videos than in the Betas.
To be honest I feel like a mix of TiNe and NeTi.
Not so much Fe-lead, unless it were a very suppressed Fe. Fe channeling does not come without a certain effort, except perhaps if Pe is on fire. But I think Fe has been pretty strong since childhood, I was always aware and preoccupied when someone in my immediate surrounding was feeling bad (adaptive Fe). In mid school I became aware and tried to learn and play the codes of social hierarchy, which I actively tried to unlearn later in life. I got to use directive Fe more in high school through theatre, dance, holding speeches and later in teaching.
But on Ti versus Ne-lead. It seems to me, when I'm under stress or depression I appear more (Ti?) introverted, dispassionate - whereas when stimulated and relaxed my (Ne?) enthusiasm and social energy flows easier. I don't really feel that one of them are very dominant over the other. I'm always trying to figure out and often obsessing about how to live the best life according to all my preferences and values and spiritual beliefs - and simultaneously drawn to look beyond those unfinished rules for the spontaneous inclination of the moment.
Note that when I talk about the functions I'm not entirely sure what is what, yet.
Oh, and another thing, could apple cheeks as well be an anatomical feature? Pretty sure I've had it all my life. Not that I question the presence of Fe making them bigger. ( )Γ_Γ( )
Yea, there was speculation of you being Ti-lead for a bit. The shade of NeTi you are is relatively heavy in Ti and Fe both, while toned-down in Ne. For a while some celebrities of this shade (like NeTi Elizabeth Olsen) were typed as TiNe.
But on Ti versus Ne-lead. It seems to me, when I'm under stress or depression I appear more (Ti?) introverted, dispassionate - whereas when stimulated and relaxed my (Ne?) enthusiasm and social energy flows easier. I don't really feel that one of them are very dominant over the other. I'm always trying to figure out and often obsessing about how to live the best life according to all my preferences and values and spiritual beliefs - and simultaneously drawn to look beyond those unfinished rules for the spontaneous inclination of the moment.
Interesting! I think I find it key that you mention your Ti mode comes out more in stress or depression. While, when things are going well you are more inclined to the spontaneous. This is also an indicator of your default state. Depression in general tends to lead to heavier reliance on introverted processes, as we've noted so far.
Oh, and another thing, could apple cheeks as well be an anatomical feature? Pretty sure I've had it all my life. Not that I question the presence of Fe making them bigger. ( )Γ_Γ( )
Yep! you got it. They can be anatomical so they're not to be used in any way by isolation. But the type of toning we call apple-cheeks also often results from frequent use of the zygomaticus major muscles, and it's difference from the Te taut square (due to a lack of downward pull from the depressor anguli oris muscles) can be seen to tell apart Fe vs Te.
In my last video I appeared TiSe,
Ahaa, yeh.... i think the lighting/quality of that video is very rough around the eyes. I'm glad you decided to make another one! The static features of your eye area (i.e. you have sharp upturned eyebrows (plucked that way?)) would suggest Ni/Se from this hazy distance. But even so, high-Ti is quite clear there also.. and your eye movements in that video suggest prominent use of Pe at the least (if not primary). Getting a closeup of your eyes really has helped, and I can totally see why you wouldn't relate to Se/Ni psychology. I don't think it's really what you have. I'm sorry I wasn't around for that thread before.
Yea, there was speculation of you being Ti-lead for a bit. The shade of NeTi you are is relatively heavy in Ti and Fe both, while toned-down in Ne. For a while some celebrities of this shade (like NeTi Elizabeth Olsen) were typed as TiNe
Finally, I'm about 95% convinced NeTi fits the bill after studying videos and texts of other NeTis and ENTPs (for instance Tim Urban's posts on waitbutwhy.com). And NeTi-Fe also seems likely. I read the subtype description of Ne+Fe, and it does fit me (on a very good, balanced, extrovert day).
Other Ne-heavy people bring out that side of me as I know they'll receive and stimulate silliness and enthusiastic idea-crafting (like Celia who I believe has Ne). I suspect my Ti-Fe oscillation can inhibit the Ne in many other occasions though, when my Fe picks up on other social expectations.
Ahaa, yeh.... i think the lighting/quality of that video is very rough around the eyes. I'm glad you decided to make another one! The static features of your eye area (i.e. you have sharp upturned eyebrows (plucked that way?)) would suggest Ni/Se from this hazy distance. But even so, high-Ti is quite clear there also.. and your eye movements in that video suggest prominent use of Pe at the least (if not primary). Getting a closeup of your eyes really has helped, and I can totally see why you wouldn't relate to Se/Ni psychology. I don't think it's really what you have. I'm sorry I wasn't around for that thread before.
Well, It was kind of intriguing to try to fit my psychology to that of an Ti-lead and especially with the mysterious Se-Ni oscillation. It made me look for (and find) some sides of my personality that I might have disregarded before. I think TiSe was a good guess from the material I provided, I do pluck my eyebrows and wear eyeliner which might enhance a Se-look of that area. How does the Se- versus the Ne-eyebrows move?
Function development seems to suggest: conscious Fe, conscious Ne, conscious Ti, subconscious Si
I'm a bit unclear of the implications of having conscious functions. Do very prominent vultology signals of a function always mean that that function is conscious, in the way that a person can control the usage according to their wish? Or could it also be the case that one utilizea function a lot without a conscious control of it? I.e. does the term 'conscious' here apply for the amount of occurrence of a function in the psyche or the control of it?
Yes, conscious functions show themselves through a healthy range of signals of that function. You show a broad range of Fe Ne Ti signals but few moments of Si recall, precedent, searching, etc.
You approach new ideas with "speculation" more than with a consideration of past variables.
But so far we've noted there's room for variance on the development topic, with vultology strongly suggesting level of consciousness but not fully confrmirming it. Sometimes a function is conscious but not visible. However, rarely/never is a function clearly visible but not conscious.