Interesting. I'm told I have a pretty good memory, but I'm not so certain. I don't have a photographic memory like some Se people do, who remember little specific snapshots. I mainly remember my own ruminations. My ideas, my constructs, how they evolved, etc.
You know attachment theory? I don't think it's the perfect solution for what you're talking about, but I think Ne types can neglect relationships, and we all need some anchoring and continuity. I do think adult pair bonds are much like children's relationships with their parents, thriving under secure attachment. Everything you say seems very typically human. <3
I suppose the main difference between a child who wants love and an adult who wants love is that in an adult relationship, love can also be given, not just taken. We say child-adult like it's a thing, but really, it's not like "Aha! I'm there." It's the little things, and they come gradually. I acted pretty childish and a (non romantic) relationship pretty recently. We can play the part of the child or adult at different times.
I wrote to auburn in PM about my current life situation and short-to-mid-term plans that he encouraged I share so I may post that as well. Who knows?
yes! it's probably the most detailed summary i've seen of an Ne/Si's firsthand experience/perspective of life. i also like what you wrote above. ^
similarly, i don't have anything but small scattered memories of when i was younger than 8. and all the memory i do have is conflated with photos, to the point where i can't tell if i've simulated a memory around the photos. <.<
Thanks for posting this! I think Iโm likely also an NeTi-Si, so this is pretty fascinating. The "spoiler" part in the 2nd post didn't come through though. I think I can relate to the sense of feeling sort of like a child sometimes, and to wondering about my identity.
I have quite a detailed, archival memory of my life historyโand to an extent, histories of other people in my family. I have a few memories going back to before I was three, and for every year starting in 1989 (the year I was five) I can remember many events, as well as some more general things about my life at that time. Some of it is daydreams & stuff, but a lot of it is literal, contextual details interspersed with snapshots. The snapshots lose fidelity over time. Iโm often lapsing into nostalgia, and even have memories of feeling nostalgic when I was seven or eight. However, Iโm ambivalent toward nostalgia, and the restlessness of Ne is often sort of a reaction against it.
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make things cheap. --Leonard Cohen
I wrote to auburn in PM about my current life situation and short-to-mid-term plans that he encouraged I share so I may post that as well. Who knows?
yes! it's probably the most detailed summary i've seen of an Ne/Si's firsthand experience/perspective of life. i also like what you wrote above. ^
Damn, now y'all have to share!
Edit: Oh, I see you've posted it. I will read it in a bit.
Also, the adult pair bond wouldn't resemble the child-parent bond, except that hormones are involved to keep a couple together. The word "decide" comes from Latin "to cut," and marriage is just that... You choose one person, "forsaking all others." It's terrifying to an Ne, I think. Except we marry when we're in the "all in!" stage and then realize later love strikes again and try go Ne-all-in then. When I was a young teenager, I both desperately wanted to married and have a family, but I was also terrified of never being able to fall in love and pursue another relationship again. I know for me, it's easier to love the idea of a relationship than the person him/herself. I think Ne-types are more prone to isolation than, say, Se-types.
I relate to some of the things you've said to Erifrail. Also, I would say that feeling good about yourself after you've done work is a human universal; it's not a sign of insecurity or a merit-based self esteem or something. I feel pretty bad ass when I finally get things done. lol
When you said "clear up some mental clutter around the corners" (or something like it), it reminded me of a habit I had as a kid. Small kid. Just before going to bed, I'd imagine my brain was a dusty attic, and boxes needed to be moved and swept around. I'd try to sort my thoughts. I'd back track my thoughts as far as I could when I found myself thinking, "How did I get onto this topic?" I think it helped. AS I got older, I had different mental practices at night. I should get back into some of them because they were really helpful.
Do you think that having a lot of stuff makes it easier to stay stuck in an Ne-Si-Ne mode? I've found it does for me. I can't have clutter. I have absolutely NO memory for knowing where I keep things or even what I have. I completely rely on a T classification system to find things because I am so negligent about the details of the environment. My husband always knows where things are, even in a mess. I have to have order or I can't survive. I tried living like an Se person for a few days (how I imagined it to be), and I was absolutely shocked that I knew where to find things.
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Thanks for posting this! I think Iโm likely also an NeTi-Si, so this is pretty fascinating. The "spoiler" part in the 2nd post didn't come through though. I think I can relate to the sense of feeling sort of like a child sometimes, and to wondering about my identity.
I have quite a detailed, archival memory of my life historyโand to an extent, histories of other people in my family. I have a few memories going back to before I was three, and for every year starting in 1989 (the year I was five) I can remember many events, as well as some more general things about my life at that time. Some of it is daydreams & stuff, but a lot of it is literal, contextual details interspersed with snapshots. The snapshots lose fidelity over time. Iโm often lapsing into nostalgia, and even have memories of feeling nostalgic when I was seven or eight. However, Iโm ambivalent toward nostalgia, and the restlessness of Ne is often sort of a reaction against it.
I relate to this 100%. At least when I was younger. Now that I have kids, my memory is shit. Also, I remember a lot about other people, but I tend to remember stories I'm told rather than events that happened.
So what i'm gathering from this is that Ne/Si users have great memory and/or crappy memory at the same time.
Great memory for things like snapshot events, stories/narratives, associations and even things like family history, names, dates. But poor memory of the very exact details of any snapshot, like color of things or what else was around the area. It's like the iconic elements are remembered, while the "whole situation" is ambiguous?
Interesting teatime, I think my mom also has said her memory got worse after having kids. Sometimes I play sort of an informal role as family historian.
Erifrail Iโd say thatโs a good way to characterize it, at least for me. In day-to-day life, I can be a bit oblivious to my surroundings because Iโm really prone to zoning out and it often takes conscious effort for me to stay actively engaged the reality around me. For the same reason, my short-term memory can be sort of spotty. Of the things I notice/remember, it can definitely be the iconic qualities, but it can also be: -- Flashy or haphazard details that happen to catch my attention. --Things that connect most strongly with what I already know and/or am interested in. --The โfeelโ of something: i.e. a vague sense or impression of its overall character.
But my long-term memory is pretty good. And in remembering things later, they often get updated or contextualized within my present worldview. However, this is part of how the pictures in my memory lose fidelity.
I think the reason I remember stories is that I'm more engaged with them than I am my environment. On an emotional level. Stories belong to people, so they have meaning for me. And yes, I pick out the "iconic elements." I can get details right, but only if I had repeat exposure to them (I loathe the memory game where they bring out a tray of crap and you have 30 seconds to memorize all the items). I really like things to be beautiful, so I will fixate on something if it's ugly and then remember that. Usually it's something just needs a little bit of tweaking to work. As I said, I was mostly in my head, so I mostly remember my own feelings, thoughts and other reactions to things that happened around me, rather than the events, etc. themselves.
I was also obsessed with family history when I was a kid. Loved that Si.
I think the reason I remember stories is that I'm more engaged with them than I am my environment. On an emotional level. Stories belong to people, so they have meaning for me. And yes, I pick out the "iconic elements." I can get details right, but only if I had repeat exposure to them (I loathe the memory game where they bring out a tray of crap and you have 30 seconds to memorize all the items). I really like things to be beautiful, so I will fixate on something if it's ugly and then remember that. Usually it's something just needs a little bit of tweaking to work. As I said, I was mostly in my head, so I mostly remember my own feelings, thoughts and other reactions to things that happened around me, rather than the events, etc. themselves.
I was also obsessed with family history when I was a kid. Loved that Si.
I think that's mostly pretty similar for me as well...except to the extent that I'm actively engaged with events going on around me, I do tend to remember them pretty well. I also remember things like feelings, thoughts, daydreams, etc., but my mind sort of caricatures and romanticizes them over time. As a memory gets older, I think my impressions get distorted and lose fidelity more quickly than the concrete, environmental details do....maybe anyway. It's tough for me to make such a broad generalization.
To me they're very Ne-ish, in a grim tone and kind of retro album-cover-way. Are some of them cut out collages that you've scanned or did you make all in programs only? The top one remind me of how I sometimes like to pen out details next to each other, making associations, forms and figures on the go.
To me they're very Ne-ish, in a grim tone and kind of retro album-cover-way. Are some of them cut out collages that you've scanned or did you make all in programs only? The top one remind me of how I sometimes like to pen out details next to each other, making associations, forms and figures on the go.
Yeah, I used to work in a record store and I enjoy collecting rare/obscure/interesting records, so I very much enjoy the album cover approach/aesthetic when making stuff (also Dadaism is a kind of influence, i suppose, with its absurdist overtones and collage style).
Of this batch i believe all but the hanging on for dear life picture were made using snapchat and instagram entirely (the hanged man one was done in gimp).
Basically i've been doing lately is taking pictures of anything interesting i can and either cut stuff out of it or pile stuff on it using snapchat's sticker feature and then arrange everything until it's vaguely coherent in some way and then i put it through instagram and mess with the filter/color settings and then i run it back into snapchat where i can layer more stickers (they lose quality with each subsequent rendering in instagram, as you can see in the first picture of the face of faces, so i've learned to start being strategic with the order i take each step in). Snapchat also recently it seems paired with prisma so sometimes i throw one of their effects on, but i try not to lean too hard on it. and then back into instagram, this time cranking the filter settings to all of their extremes (contrast, saturation, etc) and then from there it really depends what scene i'm going for and how much distortion/color/whatever i want to it. That first face one bounced back and forth between snapchat and instagram like at least 4 or 5 times whereas some of the others went through each like once.
I've got a few more i've done in gimp but most are unfinished at the moment. I think the snapchat stuff is more enjoyable to make, as it arises naturally, whereas the format of a computer based program requires me to slow down and think about things perhaps a bit too much.