Post by peppergirl on Aug 22, 2013 20:30:31 GMT -5
chaoticbrainWell, at first I doubted a bit but I watch the whole interview and the pattern Ti halting/freezing vs Fe warm interpersonal smiles outweighed the apparent "snarl". I think it's due to her having high cheek bones and full cheeks. If you watch careful, she does a lot of interpersonal goofy chuckles, then her face becomes neutral impenetrable, no sign of Fi sorrow, Fi giggliness/sassiness. Her eyes don't show the vulnerability of Fi, whether seelie or unseelie. It's either cool neutral, if not a bit bored, or very animated and warm. She does show more Fe here because of the nature of the interview I think.
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Post by chaoticbrain on Aug 22, 2013 20:37:12 GMT -5
Alright, I see. That just made me curious. If you have you time you could see if you agree on the guy I posted back there, he could be added to heron's list too.
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Jennifer Lawrence is a very clear NeFi. She has all the typical signs. Fi tension, Fi snarls, Ne eyes, Ne self-ironi, Te avalance talk and Pe energy just to mention a few. She doesn't have any signs of either Ni/Se or Ti/Fe.
You're maybe right on the Fi/Te o.O Her eyes look so Ti but it's maybe an optical illusion... Her P functions are tricky too because although she blinks and dart a lot (like Kristen Stewart), her eyebrows crunching look more Ni.. Hard to tell because it's so fast. I have a hard time seeing her as a Delta, her energy is very jerky/sensationalist rather than gently bubbly, her eyes don't look naive to me. Se-users can use parody too, eventhough less but I've seen it. I'm not convinced for NeFi.
Last Edit: Aug 29, 2013 9:29:18 GMT -5 by peppergirl
Ok, i must admit, i put her in the SeTi board without paying the right attention, now she's in the SeFi board. I also completely missed the slightly resemblance with Manuela Arcuri (she's the most typical extroverted Se user):
You're maybe right on the Fi/Te o.O Her eyes look so Ti but it's maybe an optical illusion... Her P functions are tricky too because although she blinks and dart a lot (like Kristen Stewart), her eyebrows crunching look more Ni.. Hard to tell because it's so fast. I have a hard time seeing her as a Delta, her energy is very jerky/sensationalist rather than gently bubbly, her eyes don't look naive to me. Se-users can use parody too, eventhough less but I've seen it. I'm not convinced for NeFi.
Like always, it's the P functions that are the most difficult.
I don't know what you mean when you say her "eyebrow crunching" look more Ni. I can see a bunch of Si scowls, but no Ni scowls. For example at 5.28 (in the last video you posted) you can see a very typical Si scowl where the eyelids drop down over the outer edge of the eyes. She does variations on this throughout the video. There are also no Se lock-ons, perk-ups or Ni zone-outs. The reason her energy is jerky is because she is a Pe-lead + Te user. That is just the way the energy comes out in those types. I know that Se-users can use parody/irony too, but NeFis have a self-irony that is especially strong/unique. It's a little hard to describe though, so I'm not sure how to explain it to you. But maybe you can look at this video of her backstage at the Oscars. When a NeFi is in a good mood it seems they can't resist having a little fun with concepts and ideas. NeTis does it too, just in a different way since they have different judging functions.
Post by peppergirl on Aug 29, 2013 12:46:59 GMT -5
TheLogicFan Good point for the Si scowl... I didn't pay enough attention. When I said Ni crunching, it's because when she crunches her eyebrows, it looks like only the center goes down not affecting the sides, whereas Si makes the whole eyebrows crunch. The fact she has plucked eyebrows probably makes them look more Ni acting. That's something we should be more careful about. She does have a "glow" that Ne users have, the stare is less intense but more glowy or sparkly.
She's one of those cases where the shape of her eyes can be misleading, they can look so Ni, it seems genetic due to the flesh covering the upper part of her eyes (like Asians), making a slightly "bored" or enigmatic expression. Very interesting case.
Right. Having plucked eyebrows does make it harder. Her makeup in the video also doesn't help. It makes it harder to see her natural eye shape and skin/muscle movements. I always try to be especially careful with woman using heavy makeup and plucked eyebrows, since it can mask some of the normal signals.
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