Correlations to Socionics Quadra(nt)s

I'm quite well-versed with socionics and can quite accurately type a person's quadra preference in a couple of posts, assuming the cognitive functions reveal themselves properly in their reasoning. Most of all though, I'm curious as to how enneagram preferences and instinctual variants actually play in how we come across in body language. The thing to understand about socionics is that sociotype actually fits like a glove assuming you are properly typed. That's the positive aspect of a system originally created by a Ti type (Augusta typed herself as ILE/ENTP).

The way I understand the socionics quadras is thus more based on how the system itself approaches typing, but my typing focus is less on external behavior as it is on cognitive thought patterns. Once the cognition is accurate though, the quadra behavior will also be accurate. Sometimes a person can exhibit behavior contrary to their quadra or more in line with another quadra but this is caused by enneagram confusion, like there is this member on another forum who is an SEE-Fi 7w6 sp/sx and people keep typing him as EIE because they mistake his narcissist Se antics for beta drama.

They don't look so much at what function attitudes his thinking seem to express/prefer as much as they look at how he behaves. Yes, I do think socionics is behavioral in a way that the quadras are created around cognitive output, but the output will be consistent regardless of enneatype. Beta drama is very different to 7 narcissist drama.

So in summary, yes, alphas can be goofy and theoretical but it somewhat depends on the alpha person. They will be more or less so. An ILE 7 is going to be very goofy and an ESE 2 is going to be extremely focused on satisfying the emotional atmosphere and making sure everyone is comfortable, but not every ILE is a 7 and not every ESE is a 2.

In general, the way an alpha group is going to appear as is to be very emotionally expressive. There will be a lot of laughter and goofy jokes, especially if it consists of more types with Fe in the ego block. There will also be focus on comfort where alpha groups rather sit somewhere comfortable eating good food and drink and telling each other funny stories alternatively talking about theory but it's important to understand that theory doesn't have to be scientific theory. It's just theory in general. People talk about themselves not as a point of self-reference because there is a "point" to what they are saying, but more as a form of entertainment and they might talk about themselves or say things they don't actually personally believe in but deliver it so as if they do believe in it. This is not to be confused with playing the devil's advocate.

Alpha groups thus like it when it's calm, not too much movement or something going on, and where they can talk freely to each other. In this sense they resemble deltas. The difference is that the focus of conversation is less on what has been achieved or what can be achieved, and there is an inclusiveness that delta groups lack. Alphas encourage others to join in the discussion if they suspect someone might feel like an outsider. The Reinin dichotomy monologue compared to dialogue is also relevant here, because gamma/delta types both being Fi-Te valuing, always have a "point" with what the say, and they talk in a way that is self-referential (Fi). "I experienced this", in a sense. This is different to Ti-Fe conversation that is more about "What did you experience?".

I'm good friends to some gamma types (I'm delta EII-Ne) and essentially, gamma is the opposite of alpha in every way possible. They do not enjoy overt emotional displays in a merry sense (e.g. lots of laughter and joking around), and while they just like alphas can sit together and eat great food, there is more of a reason doing so than for simple comfort itself. You could say that Te always seeks external logical purpose in socionics. We eat if we are hungry, otherwise we do not. I also disagree with erifrail that gammas are more sexually active or seek sexual stimulus. It might be true for some SEE types in particular, but if anything, the Se-Ni preference leads gammas to interact together more in a way that's overall action-oriented rather than being still unless it primarily consists of ILIs.

I for example provided the example of gamma types hanging out together by playing golf because you have the external stimulus of changing physical location and you have the long-term planning with the strategy involved. While a gamma group could play golf together for the sheer enjoyment of gold itself, it will also most likely have another underlying reason why golf and not some other activity. The subjects discussed while playing aside the typical gameplay commentary will also focus less on joking around in a way that leads to open laughter, gamma type humor is in general much more ironic, sarcastic and snarky, likes to do punnery but it's driven by Ni.

I don't think there's much point describing the cognitive functions of the type and how it operates in each type. There's Model A for that and erifrail already did to a degree.

Well, it could be that what erifrail thought of as Te is Fe for example. I also admit here already that the way you come across in text is not how I'd imagine an LIE 6w7 to come across as you seem to be very conscientious of others and I fail to see how your reasoning processes mirrors dominant thinking. In socionics, I think you are right to consider logic to be in your super-id block. You are often looking for validation of logical frameworks that I find to be very uncharacteristic of an LIE whose base function is Te. Now granted, I have not known any LIE 6w7 but if anything I can imagine that the Te coupled with 6 doubting would lead to perhaps a quite logically aggressive and structured persona, either seeking to create their own external structures (counter-phobic) or follow existing structures/looking for comfort in logical structures in a very rigid manner (phobic).

I am not sure how familiar or good you are at tritype theory (or whether you believe in tritype theory, a lot of people seem to discredit it), but even if you were a 629/692 tritype which would smoothe out a lot of that Te harshness, I still think dominant thinking would appear some way or another. I personally feel you are correct in considering ESE, especially if you consider yourself to be Si-valuing as in you're more concerned about comfort and being attuned to how your body experiences things rather than being oriented towards the objective sense-world.

I for example know an ESTJ core 3 (no real wing) who is also so/sx and while there is an expansiveness to 3 being an id type and he is most likely double positive (379) making him seem very upbeat and kind, especially in text due to his inferior Fi pushing him out to engage with people in a friendly manner, the Te dominance really shows in him and it's apparent when he is talking more than just simply trying to chit-chat.

So the only other viable possibility I see is that you confuse something about yourself, for instance Fe for Fi, if erifrail's typing is right and you confuse merry/serious and so on for something else because your point of reference is incorrect.

Auburn, I understand what you are saying but I think enneagram and cognitive type deal with different aspects of human personality so to me it's not so much a matter of whether they discredit another as much as they simply try to explain different things. Enneagram makes no attempts to explain people's cognitive type. Rather, what they do is trying to explain why we are the way we are and why we act the way we act. What I was trying to get at is that people can behaviorally sometimes seem to exhibit a type different to their actual cognitive type (persona) caused by enneagram.

As for cognitive type and enneatype being caused by nature or culture; I don't see why it cannot be a combination of both. Are you a cognitive introvert because you as a child also happened to have a temperament pre-disposed towards introversion and did this also result in you picking up an enneatype whose coping mechanisms fit that natural pre-disposure or are they caused entirely by environmental factors? There's clearly no real evidence supporting either assertion.

I was thus by no means intending to inter-mingle the theories but rather using it to exemplify how typing can become confusing because what we see is not always what we get, and enneagram serves one way to explain this contradiction and how an ENFP 8 is not going to look like an ENFP 4 and the former might even mistype as something else initially because the description of being this bubbly hyper persona doesn't overlap with how the ENFP 8 sees herself, being an 8.

With that said, Riso and Huddson began outlining a theory where enneatype correlates to the levels of various neurotransmitters but to my knowledge there has been no serious research in this area but it was more a hypothesis than an actual attempt to validate a biological pre-disposition of type. However, my point is that I think some body language cues of each type will somehow be reflected in a person and this might make VR more difficult even if you claim that you are mostly looking at say, eye-movement. But you also look at body rigidity and a combination of other cues. You typed me as an NiTe but I am fairly sure my cognition lies towards dominant judging and the video we recorded was fairly long. Of course granted, it was not a real life conversation and perhaps all three of us would have provided other cues that would suggest otherwise and lead to more accurate typing, but I think it's at least something to consider why the discrepancy if so.

I can also vibe type people's enneatype (and apparently I'm pretty accurate at this as well) just by looking at how they come across in say, photos, so clearly there must be some kind of inter-mixing in this sense. You could also say that the possibility-seek of 7 think could be confused with Ne and it often is, in my opinion. So I am not proposing that the theories should be used together in a unified theory sense, but rather that they all provide with explanations and cues of how to understand other people better and when typing people you should be wary of these things. I've seen social firsts mistake themselves as inferior Fe types.