I think I might see woody allen as SiTe. He has lots of fast talking, lots of dismissiveness, micro-headshakes. Example of how SiTe's can be quite energetic for introverted types, maybe.
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He might not be the clearest example. His anxiety makes his movements seem snippy, but there are clear Fe signals. He has a swelling voice, and often changes the speed and emphasis of his speech in a precise and calculated manner that Te users generally cannot do. Also, if you notice his gesticulations, he has loose wrists and his fingers tend to move independently. His smiles are more difficult to gauge for the simple reason that he very rarely does it, and when he does smile it comes across as half-hearted. However, from the smiles that I have seen, they are closest to the smiles of low Fe users, with a wide neutral zone and no muscular tension in the cheeks. For example:
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When discerning Fi vs Fe smile, you should consider whether it looks awkward, and whether there is a snarling shape around the nose. The smiles you posted (especially the first) are Fi smiles. On occasions Ti-leads can have a smile which doesn't go up high on the face, but NeTi's don't. His default face is also not "neutral" it's "deadpan". His deadpan-ness is also communicated in his humor, he'll say his ridiculous jokes without showing any expression on his face, he also has the "five jokes a second" thing that deltas can have imo.
This video shows an extreme representation of a lot of Te signals. His speech incredibly fast and continuous, blunt browraises, microheadshakes, etc.
In reality it's actually hard for a Ti/Fe user to be "nerdy" (for lack of better word) in the way woody allen is. They can be, obviously, but it's different it's more like gangly, precise presence.
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The more I watch of Woody Allen, the more baffled I become. He combines swelling articulation with Fi/Te articulation, and he almost always seems like he's acting to some extent. His smiles are never full smiles, making it very difficult to see which direction his muscles are moving in. I've noticed that they never seem to affect his face anywhere above the bottom of his cheeks.
In that video you posted he is acting. In interviews, his articulation is never that choppy. I don't see why a Ti/Fe user with anxiety problems could not articulate the way he does. The examples I've seen of "deadpan" smiles all show much more tension in the cheeks. People were saying that I was PiTe, with a sub-polar Fi smile, but my smile creates a huge bulge and tension going almost all the way up to my eyes. Also, I couldn't imagine having that much conscious control over when I smile. I can barely get through half of one joke before my face is ambushed by an awkward smile. From my experience, when awkward smiles come, there is no stopping them from becoming full-blown Fi snarls. Woody Allen can talk for minutes without any emotion showing on his face, start to smile, then stop halfway through with no residual tension. I imagine that Ti/Fe users can also smile when they feel awkward, and that they are much better at consciously controlling the strength of their smiles.
NOTE: The posts above were in 'NeTi - Larin Series Video Discussion' thread. I've just made a split and brought them to this new thread called 'Woody Allen - SPLIT' to make things more organized.
It's sad to notice that a post (or some posts) connected with this topic (Woody Allen's CT) was (or were) deleted by the person who had posted it (them) in that thread - the post(s) that brought up the discussion about his CT (from the context it seems that it was jason13 who had posted and deleted a post(s) that brought Woody Allen to the thread. The problem in this is that it makes things very hard for forumers to follow/understand what's going on in a thread... makes things really confusing to everyone. So, in respect to all forumers, it seems reasonable to avoid deleting our posts when it will bring confusion to those who you'll read a thread later.
The same had happened before in that same thread, with more catastrofic results (a complete mess) as I pointed out here: cognitivetype.boards.net/thread/774/
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