Post by TheLogicFan on Jan 31, 2014 19:31:41 GMT -5
First, why he can't be a Te lead:
- While his scowl is plain Ni, and even the shape of the eyebrows is, he never shows any manic scowl (aka: distinctive signal for TeNis), in fact his eyebrows remain extremely relaxed, rarely moving them all through the video.
- His articulation is not monotonic.
- Taking for true the hypothesis that he's an Fi user, the tension he displays is not strong enough to consider him as a Te lead.
- His dismissiveness is around 0.
- His smile is not snarly.
- His smile is not assimetrical (signal of Fi<Te).
- No cold shouldershrugs.
- No cold Headshakes.
- His smile is not polar, nor subpolar Fi.
Now, why he can't be an Fi user in general:
- His smile hasn't a vertical direction.
- There isn't any random/accidental snarl in his face, there is tension (but...) it remains steady and never evolves in a snarl.
- (there is tension) but... the tension doesn't reach the side of the nostrils all through the sides of the mouth, it is at the sides and stops before. And, accordingly to the "advanced cues" document:
"As a general rule, the higher Ti is in the hierarchy the broader the βflatβ zone of the cheeks will be, and the less the Fe smile will populate that flatness with warmth. As a general rule, the higher Fe is in the hierarchy the more muscular definition the zygomaticus major will have in the face"
- His smile doesn't go up to one side.
- His speech is not avalanching forward, it remains slow and orizontal, he never talks so rapidly to seem difficult to comprehend.
- His headshakes are not snippy.
Now, why he's an Fe user:
- Here i had to make a "copy & paste" from the "basic" document because there's no better way to explain that: "Fe: Has a swell/push midway, and trickles down smoothly."
- His smile is plain interpersonal, even when he makes that quick laughter that can be mistaken for Fi, he's always showing that toward the interlocutor, and he always neutralize that extremely quickly.
- His voice is always infused with pathos, and relies on an emotional impact from the listener (wich is not an indicator of emotivity or passion for what the person is saying as someone interpreted from my posts).
- When he talks, his face is completely coordinated in emphasis and expressions, and also with his gesticulations.
Why i think he's NiFe
- His smile is extremely cunning. And this is one of the most reliable signals when telling apart people from the beta quadra.
- He has the "hypnotic" and "mesmerezing" eyes, like if he belongs to an arabian fairy tale. The combination of this signal + the first one on this list is peculiar for NiFe. I made a quick list of eyes from NiFes so you can see the similarities (including one friend (censored on some of his features) because the two are really similar).
The resemblance between these people is irrefutable.
- He's evidently eye centric, as more than one people pointed out.
Response to Heronβs reasons for why he believes Mike canβt be a Te-lead:
- Not true. Eyebrow move up and down a lot as I proved in my post with time codes for the first video.
- Not all Te-leads user have monotonic voices. Also a negative signal (lack of a signal).
- Not all Te-leads have the same level of tension. Also a negative signal.
- I disagree. Also a negative signal.
- True. It seems like itβs not as snarly as in most Fi users. But itβs still a negative signal.
- Not all smiles in Fi<Te people will be asymmetrical. Also a negative signal.
- Te-leads can have emotions too, so they donβt have to be βcoldβ. Also a negative signal.
- Te-leads can have emotions too, so they donβt have to be βcoldβ. Also a negative signal.
- Have some validity, but is still a negative signal.
Response to Heronβs reasons for why he believes Mike canβt be a Fi user:
- Somewhat true. But still a negative signal. The beard makes it hard to see.
- Snarls donβt have to be random or accidental to count as a signal for Fi. Tension is still a signal for Fi even if itβs mostly steady. Fi snarls can happen without smiles.
- I disagree. Mike has neither a flat zone nor a muscular zone in his cheeks. You canβt see his muscles because he is chubby and has a beard. So this doesn't count as a signal for Fe.
- Fi usersβ smile doesnβt always go up to one side. Also a negative signal.
- This is more frequent in PeFi types than in TePi types. His speech is rapid enough.
- Negative signal.
Response to Heronβs reasons for why he believes Mike is a Fe user:
- I donβt think his voice is unusual for Fi users.
- His smile is not interpersonal. He often looks away while smiling. Randomness will result in him sometimes looking at the person.
- Not sure what this means, but Fi user also care about emotional impact. If something else it meant, it isnβt clear from your post.
- Je-leads have coordinated faces too.
Response to Heronβs reasons for why he believes Mike is a NiFe:
- His smile is not cunning at all. Mike has a mostly silly smile and generally looks like he is on drugs (as if he is high on something).
- All high Ni users can have hypnotic and mesmerizing eyes. Mikeβs eyes also donβt look like the NiFe eye examples you posted. His lowered lids are much more prominent and move more independently than the NiFe examples you posted.
- Still need to be established. Earlier you said yourself that his face was "completely coordinated". If this is true, then he is face centric.