Post by TheLogicFan on Jan 22, 2014 3:16:34 GMT -5
I thought it might be nice to have a single place where we can discus and correctly type the different people that appear on NFGeeks.
NFGeeks is a fairly popular typology channel on YouTube (link). The show is hosted by Dr. Mike who is a qualified MBTI practitioner. As such the show is heavily MBTI based and suffers from all the usual problems that come from that.
Post by TheLogicFan on Jan 22, 2014 3:17:09 GMT -5
Dr. Mike (NFGeeks)
Let’s start out with Dr. Mike himself. Mike thinks he is an ENFP (NeFi), which is pretty understandable given his personality. Given the way the MBTI system is set up ENFP is actually the most logical choice (within that system). In CT though, Dr. Mike is not a NeFi.
Let’s look at the signals. For his perceptions functions he has steady eyes, zone outs, eye drift to the side and lowered eyelids. For his judging functions he has direct communication, bluntness, choppy hands, rambling, continuous speaking, blunt eyebrow raises, giggling, tension and sassy posture. So Ni/Se and Fi/Te seems pretty clear.
As far as lead-functions, he has a lot of gesticulation (Je), strong posture (Je) and strong signals (Je). So I think he is a TeNi.
Videos:
This is just a random video so people can see what I'm talking about.
Last Edit: Jan 22, 2014 3:46:07 GMT -5 by TheLogicFan
Erifrail has typed Mike as NiFe, alt. FeNi (it's on the list). I'm confused about his fast speaking and TeFi looking hands, and his beard makes it hard to see if there's Fi tension.
Erifrail has typed Mike as NiFe, alt. FeNi (it's on the list). I'm confused about his fast speaking and TeFi looking hands, and his beard makes it hard to see if there's Fi tension.
I know. I just think he was wrong. Mike is clearly a Fi/Te user in my opinion.
Here is a video were he doesn't have a beard.
Last Edit: Jan 22, 2014 4:26:36 GMT -5 by TheLogicFan
TheLogicFan I agree he's high Je definitely and he has Se/Ni eyes (almost only Ni though), the fact that he's chubby and wears a beard most of the time makes it hard to notice his J functions.
TeNi would be very interesting if it were his true type, a new shade of TeNi I've never seen before. I noticed that some Te-leads (including my TeNi father) can have a "care-bear" demeanor if they're calm and soft-spoken (resulting from heavy Fi?), but to this point I don't know... And his hands seem more bear-like too, with choppy board-like movements. However, I'm not sure if his whole face contract itself when he smiles.
Last Edit: Dec 19, 2014 15:25:58 GMT -5 by peppergirl
My 2 cents: He really reminds me of Mandy Patinkin! Though I can't be sure whether that just their appearance, including their awesome beard that does it..
TheLogicFan I agree he's high Je definitely and he has Se/Ni eyes (almost only Ni though), the fact that he's chubby and wears a beard most of the time makes it hard to notice his J functions.
TeNi would be very interesting if it were his true type, a new shade of TeNi I've never seen before. I noticed that some Te-leads (including my TeNi father) can have a "care-bear" demeanor if they're calm and soft-spoken (resulting from heavy Fi?), but to this point I don't know... And his hands seem more bear-like too, with choppy board-like movements. However, I'm not sure if his whole face contract itself when he smiles.
Yeah, the chubbiness and the beard does make him harder to type. It also doesn't help that he always were glasses that partially hide the areas around his eyes.
Assuming that I'm right about him being TeNi. I think I would call this shade for the "Santa persona".
Hohohoho, I love the idea of a Santa shade TeNi! Mike seems Je-lead, and his hand gesticulation and speech style remind me more of TeFi, but otherwise my mind is empty.
I wonder if it's typical for strong Fi TeNi's to identify with INFP or ENFP in MBTI. Those are at least my most common test results.
Mh... quite frankly, i agree more with the previous typing, i think he's NiFe, or Beta at least. In the first video i see that his hands are generally flexible, and his fingers are never stiff, instead they remain flabby all the time during the video, apart when he makes Je gestures. Here's all the timestamps of where i see that his hands are more Ti-Fe in my opinion 0:50 (his left hand) 2:15 2:22 (this gesture is peculiar for Ti users) 2:43, 2:59 (elongated Je gesture following a change in intonation, sign of Fe?), 03:18, from 03:31 and a little more (then he starts to make something that seems in between to Ji and Je), 4:24 4:30, 05:38. 05:48 i remember i saw something like that in the NeTi video, in the part where talks Laurence Krauss. From 05:01 to 05: 18 he seems to make Te gestures. Apart from that particular episode in all the rest of the video i didn't see many signals of Fi-Te, i don't see much dismissivenes, when he talks under a "je-effect" his articulation remains slow without changing its speed and on the contrary he slows down at almost any strong demonstration of Je. I didn't see Fi tension, at least in the first video, and the beard could have mislead me, but i see that he doesn't snarl while talking, not even when smiling, he could have these signs around his mouth because he's chubby, or it could be Fe anger-assertivenes, like in bruce lee. Some material took from the post Fe Anger/Assertiveness
And i don't find his articulation monotonic, on the contrary... i find very enerving listening to him talk.
I think that the only other possibility i see is FeNi, maybe that'swhy he shows that amount of Je gestures, even more than a common NiFe would do. I will watch the other videos later.
I find the fluidity of his Pi-lead viscous swaying remarkable. (as much as his inflated ego, not that it is indicative of any leading fucntion, of course xD)
Last Edit: Jan 22, 2014 18:23:35 GMT -5 by Deleted
Mh... quite frankly, i agree more with the previous typing, i think he's NiFe, or Beta at least. In the first video i see that his hands are generally flexible, and his fingers are never stiff, instead they remain flabby all the time during the video, apart when he makes Je gestures. Here's all the timestamps of where i see that his hands are more Ti-Fe in my opinion 0:50 (his left hand) 2:15 2:22 (this gesture is peculiar for Ti users) 2:43, 2:59 (elongated Je gesture following a change in intonation, sign of Fe?), 03:18, from 03:31 and a little more (then he starts to make something that seems in between to Ji and Je), 4:24 4:30, 05:38. 05:48 i remember i saw something like that in the NeTi video, in the part where talks Laurence Krauss. From 05:01 to 05: 18 he seems to make Te gestures. Apart from that particular episode in all the rest of the video i didn't see many signals of Fi-Te, i don't see much dismissivenes, when he talks under a "je-effect" his articulation remains slow without changing its speed and on the contrary he slows down at almost any strong demonstration of Je. I didn't see Fi tension, at least in the first video, and the beard could have mislead me, but i see that he doesn't snarl while talking, not even when smiling, he could have these signs around his mouth because he's chubby, or it could be Fe anger-assertivenes, like in bruce lee.
And i don't find his articulation monotonic, on the contrary... i find very enerving listening to him talk.
I think that the only other possibility i see is FeNi, maybe that's why he shows that amount of Je gestures, even more than a common NiFe would do. I will watch the other videos later.
You are misreading the signals. His hands aren't flexible, but are actually pretty stiff (rigid even). You don’t need Ti to be able to bend all but one of your fingers, point at things or wiggle a single finger (or two or three) around. All people can do those things. His hands are fully consistent with being a Fi/Te user.
Also, you have to be careful about what you count as a signal. Just because you can’t see a specific Fi/Te signals, that doesn't necessarily mean you can count that as a signal for the opposite (Ti/Fe). You still have to find positive evidence (signals) for Ti/Fe and there is practically none.
Mike is not a NiFe.
Last Edit: Jan 23, 2014 3:33:18 GMT -5 by TheLogicFan
Well, not everyone agrees with that. Can you give timestamps of the signals that to you are evident for Te/Fi? Because i don't see any. The way i use to evidentiate and understand something in my opinion is defining first what it is not than what it is. It helps me to put order in things, that why i'm concentrating more on "i don't see Fi" than "i do se Fe more". But anyway, the signals i see that are evident of Fe-Ti are: -Interpersonal smile, when he smiles he always watch his interlocutor in the eyes, waiting for some kind of feedback (like "do you find this funny too?" ) -Fe swelling articulation and Fe pathos (his articulation, and even the voice is very similar to steve jobs ) -Fe angering expression showed by the tightened lips and the subsequent tension -Ti spread fingers -when he does headnods they seem slow and elongated. -not every video but some show a complete neutralization (Ti), the reason why that it doesn't happen so often can be for 2 main reasons: his usage of Fe is superior of the usage of Ti, completely comprehensible given the fact that is Fe is higher (and if we rely in the theory that the third function is the least used (wich i don't agree for most of the cases but it seems largely approved here) makes lots of sense), the second reason is that his function is the one of a show host, this "job" does not give many possibilities to express Ji, and normally all the speeches are prepared in advance.
what i don't see of FiTe: -he has no vibrating giggle. -he does not recede backward when laughing. -like i said, his headnods are slow and passionate, not quick or snippy. -there is no accidental snarl in his face -his expressions are not assimetrical -his articuation is not blunt, snippy, fast. His speed varies from normal to slowed down and he never avalanches words one over the another.
Later i will give timestamps for this video, where he's with an actual FiTe user:
I post also two videos of the NiFe and the TeNi that are more similar to his persona, to make a comparation with the video up there
(notice how di caprio here carries a constant tension around his mouth during all the interview, even if he's a known Fe user, that's a sing of Fe anger-assertivenes)
I agree that Josh is a Fi user. But this is what baffles me, because Mike is just like Josh. He has the exact same judging signals that Josh has and therefore also the same judging functions.
For example if you look at their hands/gestures they are pretty much identical. They both have typical Te hands. Can’t you see it?
Josh Gesturing
Mike Gesturing
If you look closely you can see that they both have hands with stiff/rigid fingers that often behave like cardboard. They are kind of like bear paws. They are nothing like the hands of a Ti user.
Mike's paws
Finally here are some examples of Josh hands being...pointy and flexible...but still being Te hands. Just in case you think Fi users can't make these kinds of movements. You can still see the stiffness in his fingers.
Josh Pointy Gesturing
Last Edit: Jan 23, 2014 9:00:36 GMT -5 by TheLogicFan
Since you seem to have trouble spotting Mike's Fi snarls I made these GIFs showing the clearest examples from the Mike and Josh video.
GIF #1: mild Fi snarl GIF #2: medium Fi snarl GIF #3: super strong Fi snarl
Besides showing the Fi snarls. The first two GIFs also show the up and back head movement that Fi users often display when they laugh/smile. The last GIF is a real beauty of an example. It is probably the purest and clearest Fi snarl I have ever seen. In the video Mike is talking about jumping into freezing water and he is saying the word “Ice” to describe the feeling. It’s such a pure negative feeling that the Fi snarl goes to the max. It really can’t be any clearer than this. Mike is definitely a Fi user.
Last Edit: Jan 23, 2014 10:32:26 GMT -5 by TheLogicFan